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Is the Rejection of Christ 'the' Damning Sin?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Heavenly Pilgrim, Jan 3, 2010.

  1. webdog

    webdog Active Member
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    There is a curse on mankind due to Adam's sin. If you don't think that is fair or just, take it up with God. I tend to believe even in the curse it is a blessing for those who come to Christ. We get to shed this sinful flesh...it's like taking off clothing that has been sprayed by a skunk, you can't wait to remove it.

    I'm not held accountable for Adam's sin, physically or spiritually. I'm held accountable for my sin.
     
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    This is where things get ridiculous. Scripture states faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. Until you can prove the Gospel if fed through the umbilical cord, it is quite humerus and sad to think a child in the womb can exhibit faith, particularly when the brain is not even formed. Takes HUGE leaps in logic not supported by Scripture to arrive at this, and while I understand it is needed to believe the baby will still not perish, the only conclusion to Augustinian original sin is all babies perish, or God saves them in some other way He has not revealed to us through Scripture. Neither are supported scripturally.
     
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    You said, "All are under condemnation to die physically!"

    This is for Adam's sin, right?
     
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    You said there is a "means" by which one exhibits faith. I asked you what it is. Please give scripture as I did.

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    Due to Adam's sin, yes, it has been appointed unto man once to die. Christ died physically as well and He was no sinner.
     
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    I did, hearing (understanding). This takes the mental faculties to do so.
     
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    Then you misspoke when you said you were not held accountable for Adam's sin. Because Adam sinned you are condemned to physically die.

    And Jesus was killed, He did not die from the curse of sin. Had He not been killed He would have lived in that flesh forever.
     
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    I don't understand, if I hear the gospel then I am exhibiting faith?
     
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    I'm not accountable for Adam's sin. A curse being place on mankind does not equate to all mankind being held accountable for his sin, that is a non sequitur.

    Jesus died. Period. The means are irrelevant, and it is speculative at best to say He would have continued to live forever in His human state. He became as we are, and we die.
     
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    If you hear the Gospel you then have the choice of exhibiting faith. No understanding, no faith.
     
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    You can't say we are cursed to physically die because Adam sinned and then say we are not held accountable to die for Adam's sin. That IS siquitur!

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    You still haven't said how one exhibits faith. You said they must hear, you said they must understand, now how do they exhibit faith?
     
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    You have exhibited faith in Christ, how did you?
     
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    I already told you that, but you seem to reject it. Spirit testifies with spirit (Ro 8). I even give scripture.

    So how do you believe one exhibits faith?
     
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    I can, and I did :) That is not what accountability is.

    If I plan on taking my kids to the amusement park, and due to one of them acting up I cancel the trip, my other kids have been "cursed" by the action of the one, yet they are not accountable for his actions
     
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    That Scripture does not say that in context, it is speaking of justified people's spirit being one with God's Spirit in knowing we are children of God. I rejected it because it has nothing to do with how one exhibits faith.

    Faith is the substance of what is hoped for, the evidence of what it is not seen. Please explain away how a zygote, fetus, infanct, etc. does this.
     
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    Adam sinned and you get to die. That is paying for something you did not have any choice in the matter. You are condemned to die because of what Adam did. Don't like the word accountable, that's ok, the verse remains the same.

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    Webdog, for the umpteenth time, tell me how one exhibits faith. Tell me how you do this.
     
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    HP: I know Webdog will have his own answer, but I will give mine as well.

    One exhibits faith by forming intents and as such directing ones subsequent action, in accordance to truth. That is something absolutely impossible for an infant to do. One must have an understanding of the truth to exercise faith in it. No knowledge or understanding of the truth? Faith is rendered impossible to exercise.

    Faith as required for salvation is, at its core, an act of the will involving the formation of an initial intent in accordance to knowledge or understanding concerning the truth. Saving faith always involves a voluntary act of the will in the formation of an intent apart from force or coercion in accordance to truth.
     
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    I did answer it. It is trust in something or someone. It's hoping for something that there is evidence for and is not seen. Better yet, tell me how you exhibit faith and then tell me if a fetus can do the same.
     
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