Is the Surge Working?

Unfortunately, many right-wing nuts and others will continue to spout the Bush-Cheney male cow <edited - Phillip>. <edited - LE>

 

This shows that you don't know anything about DU. Radon gas in oil-field rich countries is a thousand times the killer of DU.

By the way, where do you get your number of 3000 TONS. I could tell you the exact amount used, but I'm not allowed to. There's more radioactivity on the coating of your binoculars, exposed directly to the eyeball (the most sensitive exposed part of the body) when you hold them up to watch your favorite football player run to the end-zone.

You have more radioactivity in your smoke detector and it doesn't pose a health problem to your family, now does it?

 

Considering that Iraq bought most of it's arms from the USSR, France, Egypt, and China, with US supplied weapons amounting to 1% of the total, it's not likely that American weapons were used in the butchery.

I guess that it would be preferable if Saddam were still around to bring order from chaos?

 

I am not implying that it has little impact on the environment, but what impact it does is almost nil. Cars and accidents will have a multitude of injured and killed Iraqis compared to injuries or death caused by DU.

It is obvious that you too, do not understand the properties of DU, nor how DU works.

Is that clear enough?

Would you care to explain what exactly DU is and how it REALLY works and what the dangers are---specifically?

 

Ya'll have fun talking about DU.
We who are acrynomn-ally challenged will sit by
and try to figure out what you are talking about.
What is DU? Start with what the acronym means.
Remember new people may not read the whole
conversation. So you gotta tell us every other
post or so.

 

Muslims seem to enjoy killing each other.

As long as that is the case, there will not be peace until one group convinces the other that they are the most efficient at dealing out death to their muslim "brothers".

 

Hmmm, why would you bother to respond to this I wonder. What you are saying is that you know more about DU than the many experts that have studied it. I already know you work for the government Phillip, do you get extra points for being a propagandist?

BTW, are you ready to answer my question about flight 97 yet? I've asked you the same question a dozen times and got no reply.

http://www.gulfwarvets.com/du.htm

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/CNN_Agent_Orange_tame_compared_to_0206.html

 

I do owe you an appology Baptist in Richmond. You are correct and I was out of line. I'm sorry.

In reply for Ed DU is you will smack your head when I tell you because I'll bet you know exactly what DU is.

DU is depleted uranium. It is used in 30 MM rounds to penetrate armour on tanks. Unlike what a lot of people think, DU is spent uranium fuel. This is not true. It is the uranium left over AFTER it has been refined. Unless I am forgetting my numbers there is approximately 2 to 3 percent U235 in unprocessed uranium. The rest is U238. The U235 is the only uranium that can be used in reactors to generate neutron flux.

The Depleted Uranium then has approximately point three (.3) percent U235 left (I may be wrong on this it may actually be closer to 1 percent or so because the process is not extremely effecient.)

Here is why DU makes an excellent penetrator. It is the ONLY metal that is not only VERY massive (heavy), it also sharpens itself as it penetrates armour. This is the opposite with other penetrators made of tungsten or titanium. They will mushroom like a bullet.

Then when the DU forces its way through the metal it will be blowing off extremely hot sparks that usually kills everybody in the tank and sets off any internal ammunition at the same time. This is the ONLY time that the DU is dangerous because the smoke contains oxides of uranium.

Now, lets look at DU itself. If you were to take a kilogram of DU and tape it to your chest you would receive less radiation in ten years than one chest x-ray.

DU emits Alpha particles (helium nucleus--no electrons or better stated as positive ions of Helium). Alpha particles are so slow and large they can be stopped by a piece of paper.

The only way to cause a problem to a human is to breath in the smoke when it hits the target (for which the idea is to kill the tank and its crew anyway).

DU is a very useful material. For a mass the same size it is 160% the weight of the same physical size of lead.

For this reason it makes an excellent material to block ionizing x-rays, or nuclear radiations. Most of the jackets that doctors use when they are doing diagnostic live x-ray has plates of DU sewn inside them in place of lead.

It is also used in very large stacks as counterweights for elevators in skyscrapers.

The airline industry also uses DU on the wings of most large planes like airliners in order to provide ballast at specific points that are very small.

Unlike what you may have heard many penetrators use shaped charges and do not need DU, so therefore even though there are a few large penetrator rounds using DU they are rare and a shaped charge is used with a copper liner. So, most of your DU on the battlefield comes from 30 MM cannon fire from an A-10 or other gunship.

The lead sprayed by both sides in regular bullets are a MUCH GREATER environmental hazard than DU. Lead will leach into groundwater and DU will hardly leach at all.

The Army is now making "green" bullets. Environmentally friendly with no lead. Bullets that use another core instead of lead.

Any other DU questions? This is not classified stuff. Its just uranium ore that has had much of its U235 removed leaving only U238.

We did NOT cover their battlefields with this stuff. Besides, the tritium used in a gunsights of military rifles and machine guns is a lot more hazardous when broken open and spread around, and even that does not cause environmental concern. Toxins on a battlefield come from explosives, propellents and metals that burn under extreme heat. A battlefield is a nasty place, but the hazards of live ammo in a battle zone is a LOT bigger killer than radiation. But the terrorists are making good use of the unexploded ordinance----sadly.

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Hey there Poncho. How's it going. No I don't know more than the experts who study it since I am one of them and I get no points for propaganda.

I forgot your question on flight 97, repeat it and I'll answer it.

 

I'm not an expert on this subject but I do know that depleted uranium (DU) is a wonderful material for making highly effective armor plate. The people that invent this kind of stuff are great! Perpetual complainers - the ones that say we're not doing enough fast enough - should keep in mind that this helps save lives of our warriors. The stuff is also great for making armor penetrating projectiles. Did I say, that the people that invent this kind of stuff are great? Perpetual complainers - the ones that say we're not giving our warriors the best weapons - should keep in mind that this helps our warriors more effectively kill the bad guys from a bit farther away. It's been used for a while now and several studies have been done on the health impacts. First, let's be clear: War is hazardous to your health so enter at your own risk and do not provoke it unless you desire to experience the consequences. The consequences can include severe headaches or even the loss of your head. Terrorists should take note that we do intend to find and kill them with or without depleted uranium ammunition. But, to be serious, prolonged exposure to high concentrations of uranium is not a good thing. Radiation sickness kills rats and people. It hurts the kidneys among other things. However, both the time of exposure and the concentration of the exposure that typically results from being around depleted uranium armor plate or ammunition has been proved not to be a problem for the humans actually involved. There just isn't much radiation, relative to other sources, in depleted uranium. The adjective "depleted" has a lot to do with that! Regardless, I know it is a major problem for the perpetual complainers who're not involved. It's interesting that wounded war veterans with embedded projectile fragments containing depleted uranium at much higher concentration levels and on a continuous basis still don't exhibit any particular kidney problems or other signs of any kind of radiation sickness. By the way, lead is also harmful for your health so it's advisible for the terrorists to avoid being injected with it. The best way from them to do that is to lay down their weapons and go home to the goats.

 

World’s foremost expert on the U.S. military’s use of depleted uranium speaks out Dr. Doug Rokke is probably the leading expert on DU, then there is Leuren Moret also an expert. These are just two among many experts that disagree with your assesment.

We were having a conversation about flight 97 when you claimed that you believed it was possible the plane could have been shot down by our military. I asked you why (if flight 97 was brought down by one of our military jets) in your opinion the government and media including Hollywood would continue to repeat the "official story".

 

Well, Phillip, while I was busy crafting a sassy response I see that you published a serious and factual one. Thanks for the great information! I found it very informative! Thanks also for being involved - in whatever way - with this wonderful material and the good that results from it's use. We have some great people working in so many different areas helping our warriors continue to win!

 

Here's a counterpoint:Doug Rokke Mislead Public on Depleted Uranium

 

Thanks for the support from the rest of you.

About the airliner. I have no idea why it crashed. Just some rumours with absolutely no substantiation. After checking into it, it doesn't make sense that an Aircraft carrier would launch planes to attack when US mainland is protected by squadrons of National Guard--usually F-16A's and B's.