Is there a bible translation that you will not recommend?

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Did I ever get an answer on the negatives of the Living Translation? Sorry, but didn't have time to read through all of the LOONGGG posts.

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Maybe it was missed, because of all your short posts?


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Please look at a word, "begotten" on John 3:16. The KJV has it, but moderm versions do not have it.

The blood refers to the doctrine of Jesus Christ. I noticed a word, "blood" omission in NIV many passages because NIV does not reverence Jesus's name.

No plm! Please look up other verses where the blood was omitted.

Open mind? Be careful! It can be a foolish.

It is up to her if she is not aware of the difference between the KJV and NIV. In DBFA a woman told me that she understands the difference between them. She uses the KJV hereafter. I was surprised to hear what she told me.

They should go to ASV church. Other people go to the NIV church, Other people go to te KJV church.

MVs and the KJV are MUCH different because MVs affected any doctrines, YES! You are right the KJVO is narrow minded because Michelle answered you her post. MVO ignored the Biblical principles.

The Bible said, " do not err!" If Christians did wrong, you can rebuke them, right? If so, that is why the KJVO rebukes MVO.

 

Askjo said "The blood refers to the doctrine of Jesus Christ. I noticed a word, "blood" omission in NIV many passages because NIV does not reverence Jesus's name."

I only know of 1 verse, Col 1:14, where the "blood" is not present in the NIV where it is present in the KJV, but this is because of manuscript reasons and not because of the unjust explaination that the NIV does not reverence Jesus' name. What are some of the other "many passages" where the NIV has a "blood" omission?

Askjo said "Please look up other verses where the blood was omitted."

I tried, and found none. Please provide them.

Askjo said "MVs and the KJV are MUCH different because MVs affected any doctrines, YES!"

No, doctrine is the result of interpretation. Two people can read two different translations and come to agreement on doctrine. Two other people can read the same translations and come to disagreement on doctrine.

 

NASU95 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

NIV "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, {[16] Or his only begotten Son}that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

ASV "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life."

YLT "for God did so love the world, that His Son--the only begotten--He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during."

So where's the problem? Did I miss something?

 

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No, doctrine is the result of interpretation. Two people can read two different translations and come to agreement on doctrine. Two other people can read the same translations and come to disagreement on doctrine.
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What does God say about his own words, the scriptures?


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

michelle said "What does God say about his own words, the scriptures?"

A lot of things. None of those things mention the KJV or its exclusivity.

 

You are incorrect because you are so blind by denying that. Is Jesus doctrine? Is hell doctrine? You deny what God said about His own Words, the Scriptures. The Bible warned that we will TREMBLE at His WORD. The Word will JUDGE us. Please quit your foolishness dealing with God's Words.

 

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michelle said "What does God say about his own words, the scriptures?"

A lot of things. None of those things mention the KJV or its exclusivity.
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Nice and normal evasion tactic you used. Words and opinions come cheap, ecspecially when not supported, nor coming from the scriptures. You don't like to reason with the scriptures at all, natters.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Askjo said "You are incorrect because you are so blind by denying that."

Nope.

Askjo said "Is Jesus doctrine?"

No, Jesus is God.

Askjo said "Is hell doctrine?"

No, hell is a place.

Askjo said "You deny what God said about His own Words, the Scriptures."

False witness.

michelle said "Nice and normal evasion tactic you used. Words and opinions come cheap, ecspecially when not supported, nor coming from the scriptures."

Do you not see the irony of your statement? I said the scriptures do not mention the KJV (which is true!), then you argue against me by talking about when we say things that do not come from the scriptures (like discussions about the exclusivity of the KJV, which is not mentioned in the scriptures!). Oy vey!

 

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Do you not see the irony of your statement? I said the scriptures do not mention the KJV (which is true!), then you argue against me by talking about when we say things that do not come from the scriptures (like discussions about the exclusivity of the KJV, which is not mentioned in the scriptures!). Oy vey!
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Of course they don't Natters! They don't say, nor would say the name or label that man has attached to them. The would not say the King James Bible. This is a NAME ONLY that has been attached to the WORDS OF GOD - the scriptures. Now do ya get it Natters?


Now please answer my question.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

michelle said "Of course they don't Natters! They don't say, nor would say the name or label that man has attached to them. The would not say the King James Bible. This is a NAME ONLY that has been attached to the WORDS OF GOD - the scriptures. Now do ya get it Natters?"

So if scripture doesn't name any single exclusive translation, why should we? Isn't that going beyond what scripture says?

michelle said "Now please answer my question."

I thought I did. But, to be clearer....

Dan 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and [there is] none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Mat 26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
Mat 26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:
Mar 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
Mar 14:49 I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled.
Mar 15:28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.
Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Jhn 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Jhn 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Jhn 7:42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
Jhn 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Jhn 13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.
Jhn 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Jhn 19:24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.
Jhn 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
Jhn 19:36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
Jhn 19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
Jhn 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
Act 1:16 Men [and] brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
Act 8:32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Act 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, [and] mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
Act 18:28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, [and that] publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.
Rom 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
1Cr 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Cr 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
1Ti 5:18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer [is] worthy of his reward.
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Jam 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jam 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jam 4:5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

Askjo,

Of course, I know the word, 'begotten' is not in NIV, it appears in KJV. Begotten in Greek, it means, the only one.

In NIV of John 3:16, it says, "...his one and only Son..."

It same meaning as 'begotten' of KJV.

NIV does not deny the deity of Christ, and of course, NIV believes Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God.

NIV of John 3:16 does not effect doctrine much different, it is same as KJV on 3:16.

In fact, when I was a Lutheran, many Lutherans love John 3:16, they use Today's English Version. Lutherans believe Jesus Christ is the truly Son of God, also he is the deity of God.

KJVO easily accuse on people who use different moderns, that they reading false or corrupt Bibles with lies and deceived. But, in fact, many Christians who read different moderns, they do believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God, He is the deity of God.

Not be surprise, many cults do use KJV in America. Many who reading KJV, but they have different views and beliefs of the doctrines in KJV, what they interpreting.

I do have a book - 'New Age Bible Version' by G.A. Riplinger. It shows there many charts on the comparing versions with KJV.

I already know that many versions have many omit verses.

But, KJV does added words unto it, not actual what Greek saying, it called, 'Italics'.

So, I think it is silly for anyone argue or debate about moderns. I notice KJVO caused many churches split or divisions because of the issues. Dr. Peter Ruckman caused many churches into divisions because of it.

We have to focus on the doctrines, teaching, preaching God's Word to people to growing in the Lord, witness gospel to people to become saved.

If you keep on continue accuse or criticize about any person use different versions. Then, I suggest, this topic should be closed for good.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

You hit the nail on the head. You do know what scripture teaches about those who cause division.

Sometime read http://www.aomin.org/ruckcor.html so you will get a little better picture of who Ruckman really is.

Prov. 6:12-19, "A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth. He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers; Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord. Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy. These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

 

How does begotten denote diety and more than unique or one and only does?

"Unique" and "one and only" seem to set him apart from the others more than "begotten" does, for all believers are "begotten" into sonship, but he is the "unique" son--the one different from the others.

 

Askjo claimed:

DeafPosttrib, modern versions affected any doctrines of the Bible.

Keep repeating it, and maybe someday it will come true.

Oh, and clap your hands if you believe in fairies!

 

The greek word for "only begotten" is monogenEs. "Mono" means "only." "GenEs" from a Greek word, "gennaO" means "to be begotten." This full Greek word means "only begotten."

They accuse MVO for missing the Biblical principles.

Yes, I have Gail's book, but I realize that Gail has some mistakes in her book. She is right about MVs.

Well, you and I use ASL, right? Is ASL English? No! When deaf people write with ASL, not English, a hearing person helps Deaf person to correct English grammar.

ASL:

blue car home.

English with "Italics":

My blue car is at home.

That is how the KJV translators translated from the Hebrew and Greek language to English language. Greek is not English. Hebrew is not English.

To use the Sword of God is to divide for the Truth.

I disagree with Dr. Peter Ruckman concerning the KJV inspiration, but he is a scholar on textual criticism showing the manuscript evidences. I agree with him.

I agree with you.

It is necessary to fight for the KJV, yes. I recommend you to get a book, "For love of the Bible" by David Cloud. This book will tell you about the battle for the KJV/TR.

[ October 17, 2004, 11:25 PM: Message edited by: Askjo ]

 

I do not buy your game.

 

This is a good question for Michelle. If the KJV is a perfect translation "word for word" of the originals, why were words added to clarify. In other words, the ones in italics that they admit are "added"?

 

That is because there is nothing scriptural for him to quote, Michelle. You are the one misinterpreting scripture. I ask you again, am I wrong when the Holy Spirit tells ME that my MV is the Word of God?
Nice and normal evasion tactic you used. Words and opinions come cheap, ecspecially when not supported, nor coming from the scriptures. You don't like to reason with the scriptures at all, natters.

 

Can't edit above post due to the program glitch mentioned in another thread. The last paragraph is Michelle's which I am responding to in the paragraph just above it.