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  1. Amy.G

    Amy.G New Member

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    I have to disagree based on what Jesus said, "if you do not believe you will die in your sins".

    The blood of Christ does not cover sins, it removes them. But only if the blood is applied through faith.
     
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    Seems to contradict scripture:

    Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
     
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  3. belvedere

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    Seems we posted at the same time, Amy! Great scriptural proof you used.
     
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  4. standingfirminChrist

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    The blood does not remove sin, it removes the penalty for sin.

    We still sin after the blood has been applied, so it is not completely removed.
     
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  5. Amy.G

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    Isa 43:25 "I, [even] I, [am] He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake; And I will not remember your sins.
     
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  6. tinytim

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    Hebrews 10 disagrees with you...

    The blood of bulls and goats doesn't take away sin, but Christ's blood does...

    The OT sacrifices covered sin... Jesus removes sin....

    Hebrews 10:1-18
    (1)     For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
    (2) For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
    (3) But in those [sacrifices there is] a remembrance again [made] of sins every year.
    (4) For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
    (5) Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
    (6) In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
    (7) Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
    (8) Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;
    (9) Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
    (10) By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
    (11) And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
    (12) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
    (13) From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
    (14) For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
    (15) [Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
    (16) This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
    (17) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
    (18) Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.
     
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  7. standingfirminChrist

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    I did not know you were sinless, Amy.
     
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    Seems to contradict to me as well.

    Then why do men go to HELL for the sin they commit?
     
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  9. Amy.G

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    God sees me through Christ.
     
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  10. Amy.G

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    Because they didn't apply the blood of the Lamb through faith.

    If you do not believe, you will die in your sins.
     
    #50 Amy.G, Mar 30, 2008
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    But SFIC says that God's wrath was satisfied, even for those in Hell.
     
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  12. Amy.G

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    Well, you'll have to ask him about that.

    You know how I feel. :)

    Edit: I will add this. When the death angel was passing through Egypt, God's wrath was NOT satisfied unless the blood of the lamb was applied to the door posts.
     
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    Mr SFIC, check this out. Looks like believing is a command. Is disobeying God's command not a sin?
     
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    I totally agree with this.
    I in no way believe that someone can be saved "willy nilly" as A.W. Pink said.

    The same God that ordained the ends of salvation also ordained the means.
    this is why we are to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.

    We do not know who the elect are until they believe. That is the way we know who is but we never know who is not unless they die in their unbelief.
    As long as a man lives he may yet repent.
    We do not know the plans of God.
     
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  15. Amy.G

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    Here is another verse:

    Jhn 3:36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

    If you don't believe, your sins remain (you will die in your sins) and God's wrath remains.

    You've got to put the blood on the doorpost of your heart. (hey, I'm a poet :laugh: )
     
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    which is why men (and women) go to hell if they do not believe. They are being punished for their sins. All of them.
    Even for the one of unbelief.
    I maintain that only a limited specificc atonement or a universal general atontement are the only consistent positions to take.
    Now what does the Bible say?
     
    #56 Dale-c, Mar 30, 2008
  17. Amy.G

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    I believe the atonement was universal just as the OT atonement was for "all" of Israel, but the redemption is specific to those who believe (or apply the blood).

    I already posted what the Bible says.
     
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  18. tinytim

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    Amy, you are becoming a very good Bible Scholar!

    I think Amy believes it the same way I do.
     
    #58 tinytim, Mar 30, 2008
  19. Amy.G

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    Well, I guess I'll put away that rolling pin for today. :laugh:

    Thank you so much Tim. I am trying to be teachable. I think we agree on this subject too. And many others!
     
    #59 Amy.G, Mar 30, 2008
  20. tinytim

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    Hey, can I borrow your rolling pin?.. I need to make the chocolate coffee snack I introduced down in the thread where all of us Baptists are fighting over anything.

    ABC is not around to borrow hers... besides she might bop me one if I say "I want it" lol
     
    #60 tinytim, Mar 30, 2008
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