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Is Warren an ecumenicalist?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Salamander, Jan 24, 2009.

  1. TCGreek

    TCGreek New Member

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    Pastor Warren has provoked some of us.
     
  2. preachinjesus

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    Before answering I too would like a definition from the author of this thread as to the chief term.

    I can't reply until that is cleared up. :)

    cheerio!
     
  3. tinytim

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    All those I would consider ecumenical.. but to me that is a good word.. not a bad one like most IFBs say it.. "ECCCC u meni Cul!!!"

    We are all ecumenical whether we like it or not.. When Jesus saved us, he has called us to work together. ONE BODY..
    It was in his prayer in John 17.

    And one day, we will be serving Him in Heaven.. all Christians.. not just Baptists..

    I too would like to hear the definition of the OP.
     
  4. Salty

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    Now you are talking like a heretic:smilewinkgrin:
     
  5. tinytim

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    That's Mr. Harry Tic to you!
     
  6. LeBuick

    LeBuick New Member

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    There are common goals where uniting with other groups makes you a stronger force in the cause. Numbers make a good difference. A good example is Dr Bob and the Right to Life Sunday. Abortion is not just a Baptist cause and we should be willing to accept the help of anyone who shares our abortion belief. It doesn't mean we agree with their religious beliefs (or non-belief), it just says on this common ground I can stand with you.

    You don't have to worry, their cooties won't rub off...
     
  7. LeBuick

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    I thought it was "Hairy Tic"
     
  8. Salty

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    From the local newspaper religion section.

    Mr. Harry Tic a well know American Baptist Pastor from the back woods of West Virgina will be speaking on the subject of Compromise at the Local Southern Baptist Church. The Pastor, Rev Salty stated they specifically chose this Sunday since Syracuse was hosting West Virginia in what will determine the Big East Championship.


    Love ya Brother:jesus: :thumbs: :godisgood:
     
  9. Marcia

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    I don't think this is ecumenical because you are not worshiping with them (esp. the Mormons). However, I have other issues with working with Mormons not related to the ecumenical debate.



    No.



    As long as they are Christian churches, no.




    No!



    No!



    No!


    Yes, as long as it's the biblical Jesus (this excludes Mormons and other non-Christian groups/churches/etc.).
     
  10. tinytim

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    Marcia I agree...

    And Salty, you are welcome to cross to the darkside anytime you want...

    I just want let you know the premise of my compromise message... it is good for Valentines day..

    "Compromise is good for Marriage"... uh... OK, I'll go there...

    Listen, Marcia's last line sums up the issue for me...
    I am ecumenical as long as it's the biblical Jesus..
     
  11. ajg1959

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    As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach NO OTHER DOCTRINE” (1 Tim. 1:3).

    Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them” (Romans 16:17).

    If any man will do his will, HE SHALL KNOW OF THE DOCTRINE, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself” (John 7:17).

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    From http://wayoflife.org/files/category-ecumenism.html

    The New Testament is filled with warnings about false teachers. Jesus warned about them during His earthly ministry (Mat. 7:15-17) as well as in His messages to the seven churches following His resurrection and ascension (Rev. 2:2, 6, 14-16, 20-23). Paul warned about false teachers repeatedly (1 Cor. 15:12; 2 Cor. 11:1-4, 12-15; Gal. 1:6-9; 5:7-12; Phil. 3:17-21; Col. 2:4-8, 20-23; 1 Tim. 4:1-3; 2 Tim. 3:5-13; 4:3-4). Peter warned about them (2 Peter 2). John warned about them (1 John 2:18-27; 4:1-3). Jude warned about them (Jude 3-19). It is impossible to be on the outlook for false teachers as diligently as the Bible commands and be ecumenical at the same time. To be on the outlook for false teachers and to be diligently comparing every teaching with the Scripture to know whether it is true or false is contrary to the broadminded emerging church philosophy.

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    My view of the definition of ecumenism is when we worship with, accept or condone a false doctrine. The Bible is full of warnings against false teachers and even says to "flee from such".

    When the Church of Christ teaches that I am not saved because I wasnt baptised correctly, is that a false doctrine?

    When the Assembly of God teaches that I am not saved because I dont speak in tongues, is that a false doctrine?

    When the charismatics teach that God wants us all to be rich and that all sickness is due to a lack of faith, is that a false doctrine?

    When the RCC teaches that a man can absolve me of my sin, and that church sacraments are required for salvation, is that a false doctrine?

    When LDS teaches that Christ came to earth many times since he was ressurected, is that a false doctrine?

    When Islam teaches that Jesus was a prophet and not the messiah, is that a false doctrine?

    And on and on, ect.....

    No, I dont worship with or condone any of these, nor will I ever. RW is on a campaign to fight AIDS, abortion and homosexuality, and that is great, but when he readily accepts the false doctrines of other religions (even some "Christian" ones), then he is doing more harm to God's kingdom that he is doing good.

    Fighting against abortion and homosexuality do not make a person saved and wont get them to heaven. The purpose of the church is to spread the true gospel so folks will go to heaven. Like it or not, AIDS, abortion and homosexuality are not nearly as important as leading folks to a saving faith in Jesus Christ.

    BTW, lots of "Christian" churches are apostate today, and even though they have the words "God" and "Jesus" all over the doors, signs and walls....they dont teach the gospel of salvation as taught by the Bible. We are doing these folks a disservice when we pretend that they are true christians, and dont help them find the truth of the Word.

    I said all of this to say this....yes, Rick Warren is ecumenical.

    Just my opinion.

    AJ
     
  12. webdog

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    I disagree. I believe worship is much more than singing songs and hearing preaching within 4 walls. Every time we are being led by the Spirit, and are living according to how Christ lived, we are worshipping.

    Let's forget Warren...was Jesus ecumenical?
     
  13. Salamander

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    That would be adultery, not a very good example.
     
  14. Salamander

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    Ecumenical: worldwide or general in extent, influence, or application

    Isn't this exactly what Warren did in his mention of the many different names for Jesus according to that religion's alternative name?

    Isn't it understood something about Jesus from that religion's point of view about the person of Jesus?

    When Warren made his prayer in each religion's name for Jesus didn't he realize the implications that relate to how each one sees Jesus?

    I would agree that Jesus is Jesus, but each religion's view of Jesus is different and only ONE of them is correct.

    What does this mean? Warren was "preaching" several other Jesus' than the Saviour of the world and instead brought the name of Jesus down to a world's view, this is ecumenism in its very core.

    He could very easily be guilty of preaching another gospel.

    Warren is very dangerous in how he expresses some things. I didn't say he was apostate, but apostacy begins a little at a time.
     
  15. Salamander

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    Provoked to what?
     
  16. tinytim

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    No, because when I talk to a hispanic, I say "HEY sus" for Jesus.

    And when I get to Heaven I fully expect to call him by his name the way he pronounced it here on earth "Yeshua"

    As for the Arabic name, esa or isa.. it is the same condition as hispanics...

    Same person.. different name.
     
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  17. tinytim

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    To reach out to people and share the love of Christ with those that the church has traditionally shunned..

    When was the last time you witnessed to a homosexual and told them that God loves them and Jesus died for them?
     
  18. webdog

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    No, because it matters not. He said Jesus (Issa, He-sus, Yaweh) changed his life, not ponder who this person was in each person's religious system.
    ...and the others' view of "their" Jesus couldn't have changed RW's life as he said, so he didn't leave that possiblilty open.
     
  19. Salamander

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    Uh, no, Jesus is God!

    Now, repeat that TRUTH to every one you want to join hands with and see what results!:tongue3:
     
  20. Salamander

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    So you think the Arabic name for Jesus means The Saviour of the world?

    Doesn't "hey" sus in the hispanic idea mean Jesus the son of Mary?
     
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