Isaiah 14:12

Thanks Tom,

So, Farmer's Wife, maybe you should drop in and ask them to put the Revelation Chapter and Verse behind the name

HankD

 

OK,If you are not KJV only you can call someone a liar,but if you are KJV only you cannot call someone a bible corrector

 

It was said that "bible correctors" (meaning non-KJVOnlyists) did not believe that book. That is simply untrue and it is improper to say something untrue. We are not "Bible correctors" and we do believe the book. Statements like that are inflammatory and serve no purpose. They have no basis in fact, which you should know if you are reading what we are saying in these threads. They are simply unnecessary and should not be made.

 

HankD, that church has been around here for a VERY long time...longer than that NIV. Nope, I think I just leave them alone.

You know what gets me? Is people say that these so-called new versions are 'easier' to read/understand but whenever a question like this comes up...the scholars have to go back to the so-called 'original' Hebrew/Greek text in order to explain it. I'll stick with my KJBible at least when it says "Lucifer" in this verse there is NO DOUBT in my mind who it's referring to! To tell you the truth, it kinda sounds like someone is trying to give satan the same title as God. Hmmm....now, I wonder 'who' would want to do something like that?

 

Farmer's Wife, which of the facts presented about context, history, or language were wrong and how? If the facts are not untrue, why do you reject the truth? Why do you dismiss the evidence, and still imply a Satanic conspiracy here? What evidence do *you* present?

[ July 29, 2002, 10:39 AM: Message edited by: BrianT ]

 

</font>[/QUOTE]This is exactly right. The next verses says "I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north ("Zaphon")". Zaphon, the Babylonian mountain of the gods (sort of equivalent to Olympus in Greek mythology) is specifically mentioned in the Hebrew of verse 13.

But who needs facts to confuse them when they've already made up their mind?

[ July 29, 2002, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: BrianT ]

 

Brian, is that 'ticking' I hear?!?!?! (ha,ha,ha) Did I misunderstand? I thought your facts came to the same conclusion that the KJBible says as to who the *who* is in the verse in question...did I miss something? I only speak English, and my KJBible,which is written in English, states plain and clear *who* the verse in question is talking about. So, therefore, I don't need to look to those facts you stated.

By the way, concerning the 'watch' conversation, I was going to reply again but...I'll let it go! Are you sure you're not my brother in ? He's middle name IS Brian and those are the same type of conversations I have with him all the time!!! (ha,ha,ha)

Speaking of conspiracies, just what are those black helicopters flying over my house about??? Hmmm.....

 

I don't know, they should take a stand since the NIV has made it an issue...



HankD

[ July 29, 2002, 11:19 AM: Message edited by: HankD ]

 

Maybe you did. On the first page of this thread, I stated that the KJV is technically correct in it's translation, but the "Satan" interpretation is wrong. "Lucifer" is the old name for Venus, the morning star. That is *who* the KJV say is in the verse. There are two things going on here: 1. translation, and 2. interpretation. The KJV is right (as is the NIV). Your understanding of the KJV is wrong.

If it is so clear, why are you confused and why do the facts disagree with you?

Yes, the KJV is *very* clear about who is being talked about: Isa 14:4 "That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon...". Don't you believe this verse in the KJV?

OK then. Like any good detective would do, I'm sure. "My mind's made up, don't confuse me with the facts!"

[ July 29, 2002, 01:30 PM: Message edited by: BrianT ]

 

Bro. coley asked:

who is it in the niv? now about the KJV?

By "it," I assume you mean "Lucifer" or the "morning star," right?

In both cases, it is the king of Babylon that is being addressed. Stars often symbolize rulers.

 

bro. coley said:

THATS funny my bible says in Rev.1:20 stars are angels.

Yes, they are, in that context. But there's no rule that says a symbol signifies the same thing every time it is used. (Unless you are now going to argue that Jesus is an angel?)

 

ok,know I getsome of what is not being said.

 

Brother coley. it makes my heart very sad that in this place there is such a spirit of meanness, and deciet that I dont fell like what God has done in my life with 2 Tim 2:15 would mean much to anyone hear, God has used that verse in my life to keep me focused on His will for my life.
and in this place with these brethern? its easy to lose focus.

 

You are not questioning the salvation of those who disagree with you are you?? I agree that there is much deceit going on. That is why we are addressing these issues. It is imperative that diligent students of the word know what it is that God inspired the original authors to write so that their audience would comprehend his message. We must be extremely careful not to use passages to prove things when those passages have no intended meaning in that area.

 

There is no question that there is much deceit going on. That's why I'm grateful for Pastor Larry, Chris Temple, Kiffin, Ransom, and others who stand for God's Word and will not be swept up by the shifting sands of human-centered doctrine and the disdain for God's Word that is so prevalent among so many.

 

Has anyone ever changed their view on the matters of differnt versions? I know that some have said that they went from KJV only to they are all ok.
Standing is good but dont stop we mnst point blinded souls in danger of Hell to Christ.
I dont judge anyones salvation here. I dont know thier fruit from these fourms, But we If we Love Christ we love the brethern,Paul felt it good to go a differnt way then Barnabas and Mark not because he thought they we not saved but that their intent or foucus was not the same. He did not stay and try to convince them he was right and they where wrong souls are slipping into Hell as we argue about who is right who is better learned who typs more correctly you take the one thing God has given you that He can use the most , your testimony of salvation and tell that to others the hour is near we must be ready, and busy.

 

Really? They went to "they are all ok"? I doubt it. It is much more likely that you are making a not so subtle attempt at painting anyone who is not KJVO as undiscerning or without legitimate convictions on the matter. I am not aware of anyone here that says "they are all ok."