Islam trying to be the worlds pariah

You don't have to go very far to find that happening, CMG. Just go to the Other Religions forum sometime. Or, turn on TBN (The Blasphemy Network). That isn't a Koran being used by Benny Hinn and Ken and Gloria Copeland. Yes, of course evil men pervert and twist scripture all the time to fit their agenda just as they do in Islam.

Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]Oh, I left a door open unintentionally. We all agree that the Koran is a sick book. Are you saying that the Bible is a sick book, also?

 

You don't have to go very far to find that happening, CMG. Just go to the Other Religions forum sometime. Or, turn on TBN (The Blasphemy Network). That isn't a Koran being used by Benny Hinn and Ken and Gloria Copeland. Yes, of course evil men pervert and twist scripture all the time to fit their agenda just as they do in Islam.

Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]Oh, I left a door open unintentionally. We all agree that the Koran is a sick book. Are you saying that the Bible is a sick book, also? </font>[/QUOTE]The Bible is not a sick book. It has been interpreted by sick people, just as the Koran has.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Where have I heard that before, LOL.

And so does Islam. The foundation of Islam is Mohammed, the founder of Islam, who beheaded 800 Jews in one day, even digging trenches for the heads to roll into. Beheading 800 Jews in one day isn't hatred and racism?

Goodnight, Joseph.

 

Joseph, please take the time to listen to www.vicmord.com

You are a victim of Islamic disinformation. Osama Bin Laden is an Islamic saint because he is following the Koran to the letter. He is trying to restore Islamic rule in Spain, Portugal, and southern France and in the Balkans, etc.

 

Where have I heard that before, LOL.

And so does Islam. The foundation of Islam is Mohammed, the founder of Islam, who beheaded 800 Jews in one day, even digging trenches for the heads to roll into. Beheading 800 Jews in one day isn't hatred and racism?

Goodnight, Joseph. </font>[/QUOTE]LE,

It seems to me that whatever their past may have been that there are several Muslims who are trying to reform their religion. Is it not a good thing that Muslims are speaking out against terrorism. I seem to remember many folks (maybe even yourself) who used to harp about how the Muslim community wasn't speaking out against the terrorists. Now, they have and you respond by dismissing them as terrorists. Tell me, will they ever be able to please you or do you just hate them because it sure seems like you are consumed with hatred against them to me?

Joseph Botwinick

 

None of the folks in the Islamic websites I cited earlier see OBL as a saint. As a matter of fact, several of them have faced death threats from terrorists because of their condemnation of OBL and terrorists extremists. There are many Muslims in this world who are just as much victims of terror as we are. There are many Muslims in Iraq right now who are fighting the terrorists and dying for their freedom from tyranny. You don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Joseph Botwinick

 

What you are saying, Joseph, is that the Koran is a holy book and not a sick book.

I couldn't disagree more.

Just look at the rules for handling the Koran--there are no rules for handling the Bible.

Imagine people being murdered for "mishandling" the Bible.

(Also, imagine a commode wonderful enough to flush a Koran! I would flush Korans 24/7!)

I think that if one thinks that the Koran is holy then one has to wonder about books such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and if they are holy since they teach about the same as the Koran.

 

What I am saying, CMG, is that the Koran is a book full of false theology, but not the reason for terrorism. Evil men who read terrorism into are the reason for terrorism. There is a difference. The Bible is the only Holy book on earth.

Joseph Botwinick

 

LadyEagle, I'll be the first to admit that I am not a scholar of the Quran, but which verse says to kill the infidel? I did an online search and couldn't find it.

 

None of the folks in the Islamic websites I cited earlier see OBL as a saint. As a matter of fact, several of them have faced death threats from terrorists because of their condemnation of OBL and terrorists extremists. There are many Muslims in this world who are just as much victims of terror as we are. There are many Muslims in Iraq right now who are fighting the terrorists and dying for their freedom from tyranny. You don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]Right, Joseph, and what is the reason that you won't listen to Victor Mordecai? And what is the reason that Islamists worldwide are naming their sons Osama?

 

And that is the error of your theology, Joseph; it is more than a false book for it declares jihad against the human race.

 

Osama has been a common name for guys long before OBL came along in the world. Tell me, should we stop naming our American children David (David Duke), Charles (Charles Manson), etc...

Do you see the error in your argument?

Joseph Botwinick

 

And that is the error of your theology, Joseph; it is more than a false book for it declares jihad against the human race. </font>[/QUOTE]Only in the hands of evil terrorists. Irshad Manji and several Muslims disagree with you here.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Why would you be clinging to a hope that a small group of Muslims is going to reform an entire religion that's foundation is terrorism and has a proven history of centuries of terrorism?

What you oughta be hoping for is for them to throw away their Qurans, tear off their hajibs, and start reading the Bible!

Good Grief!

 

Lady Eagle, it is time to say that Joseph has a closed mind on this issue. When you tell him that fathers are naming their sons after OBL, he says that Osama has always been a common name.

When you tell him that the Koran is a sick book, he says that only in the hands of evil terrorists is the Koran a sick book.

It is clear, Lady Eagle, that he is not going to listen to Victor Mordecai www.vicmord.com or go to www.answering-islam.org where he could read the truth about what the sick Koran teaches.

Lady Eagle, we are dealing with a closed book.

 

So their message doesn't give you hope that they might lead their people away from a terrorist life? I would love it if they were saved. But, if they are going to stay in Islam, and some of them are, I would much rather they embrace a moderate Islamic message, wouldn't you? Do you have children or grandchildren? For our children and grandchildren's sake, I want to encourage anything that will stem the tide of terrorism in the world. Can one person, make a difference? Absolutely. Ask yourself this honestly: If Irshad Manji is not making a difference, why have the terrorists organizations put out fatwas on her head? They don't do that with people they are not threatened by.

Joseph Botwinick

 

They put a fatwa on her head because she is in violation of the sick Koran.

 

Didn't really take this forum to tell me that. That is why I didn't waste much time with him.

 

http://www.education-world.com/a_lesson/02/lp277-05.shtml

http://www.imdb.com/find?q=Osama

(Very important: Look at the dates behind many of the names that are Osama. Many were named that years before 9-11).

http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/beingosama.html

Osama is not an uncommon name in the Middle East, and OBL does not have a coopyright to it.

Joseph Botwinick

 

They put a fatwa on her head because she publicly challenged their sick interpretation of the Koran.

Joseph Botwinick