It's all good!!

You were not playing the victim, brother. You were obeying Scripture.

"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."

 

Who do you mean by "they", Winman? I agree, there are plenty of us on the BB who believe that everyone apart from our sinless Saviour is born a sinner, but no member, to my knowledge, has told anyone that they are too stupid to understand scripture, and then tried to get rid of that person.

If they did, they would surely be breaking either Rule 3 or Rule 4 (or both!) of the posting rules:

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I fully agree that we ought to be able to discuss things that we differ about without getting "hot under the collar", but rather in a loving way, as befits servants of our Lord and Master.

 

We have not been talking about Calvinism here. What is referring to is the resistance he has felt over his unorthodox statements about original sin.

Arminians, Calvinists and all orthodox theologies agree that man is born a sinner.

Church of Christ, which is a cult denies this.

JW's deny it.

Mormons deny it.

Willis and Webdog deny it.

But Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Anglicans and all orthodox movements affirm it.

This has NOTHING to do with Calvinism.

 

I'll tell you what it should NOT be called.

So long as original sin is being undermined and the omniscience of God is being assaulted and essence of the virgin birth of Christ is under attack on here without censure- it should NOT be called ORTHODOXY.com or fundamentalsofthefaith.com.

 

As I predicted.

 

Whoa Luke,

Where has the omniscience of God, the virgin birth been under assault on this board. I have NOT seen it. Or is it simply someone who understands things differently than you who is need of censure?

 

Willis, being syrupy sweet all the time is neither Christian nor is it the typical behavior of ANYONE on this board.

And calling Pelagianism, Pelaginism is not unCHRISTian.

This new brand of soft soapen cream puff pie Christianity is not good ofr our culture.

I am against ad hominem but I am for frankness and so should all Christians be.

 

One can be frank and still do so in love and respect.

 

Winman said Jesus was born with a sin nature which undermines the essence of the Orthodox Christian doctrine of the Virgin Birth.

He also said that God does not know a thing until it happens which obviously molests the doctrine of Omniscience.

And this business about humans not being born sinners is utterly unorthodox. This is what Willis and Webdog are proclaiming when they say you cannot be a sinner until you sin. It is what Willis is declaring when he says that babies are without sin but in their physical bodies.

This has NOTHING to do with Calvinism VS any other system of theology. It has to do with Orthodoxy VS haphazard, new and dangerous false doctrine.

You can be an Arminian or a Molinist and believe the Orthodox position on all three of these matters. In fact every single Arminian DOES adhere to the Orthodox position.

 

Agreed.

Do I have to say, "I love you" every time I post to sound like a Christian?

 

Not at all, but if you like, in the future, I can remind you when you come across as "rough around the edges". If not well OK too.

 

I do not mind.

It is appreciated as I have already shared with you.

But I think you ought not become frustrated if when you do point it out, if, on occasion, I disagree with your assessment.

And I think you should do it in a pm.

Then it will be appreciated.

 

I was so happy yesterday when I went to church & the head Pastor provided a sermon on Election & will be doing it in a full series....he is not candy coating it either but rather is taking the entire congregation thru the doctrines of Grace. He is not only going thru a complete exposition of DoG with historic & scriptural detail but he is also taking time to make bare to the congregation the sad state of affairs that afflicts the church when these doctrines are neglected. Hopefully this man's zeal & passion will work to propagate the faith. One can see why there are no empty seats in this particular church. It appears what the other side is always fighting is the validity of Calvinism & for it's existence. Well if this is the argument ..... if Calvinism/Reformed Orthodox beliefs are Biblical, then we should expect to discover that the reformed church has & will continue to flourish whenever & wherever the doctrines of grace is taught & practiced. One needs only to review the most splendid teachers & theologians that reformed thinking has produced & continues to produce as evidence of correctness.

So I say to those who are outspoken detractors of the reformed faith that your attacks are both unsubstantiated & pointless. you do more harm to your own side by continuing in this vain attempt to discredit & minimize our theology. But I will say in closing that all Christians (including Calvinists ) must always strive to live up to God's ideals, which is why we are all in such desperate need of His saving grace.

Blessings to all.

 

So true. In fact is was Christians who invented those terms! In fact, we can look at the NT and see Paul saying in his syrup-py voice

I mean its clear Paul wants us to accuse each other of some offence against orthodoxy and not work together in faith.