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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by windcatcher, Feb 14, 2008.

  1. windcatcher

    windcatcher New Member

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    Do Christians have a responsibility to God to answer for their political choices?








    If not, when and how did he release us from the consequences of our choices and our reliance upon him?
     
  2. KenH

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    If one answers yes to your question wouldn't that mean that there is only candidate that a person can vote for without sinning, that there is only one way to vote on an issue on a ballot without sinning?
     
  3. billwald

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    >If not, when and how did he release us from the consequences of our choices and our reliance upon him?

    A clear example of fuzzy thinking. If we relied on God there would be no reason to get involved in politics. We invaded Iraq because we didn't trust God. Bush will invade Iran because he doesn't trust God. We gots to own all the nukes in the world because we can't trust God. We gots to protect Israel because God can't.
     
  4. rbell

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    I think we have to be careful of taking this past the logical conclusion. One could surmise, "Let's just trust God, there's no need to respond," in December of 1941. Of course, there's a time for response.

    BW said,

    So, if we relied on God....there'd be no need to vote? That doesn't make sense to me.

    The OP asked,
    IMO, God expects us to seek Him, both personally and as Christian citizens. Priesthood of the believer...it may be that we don't all vote identically, but our motives will be the same: To honor God.

    I think there can be such a right vs. wrong matchup that our choices are fairly easy. Many other times, the choices are more nuanced.
     
  5. Palatka51

    Palatka51 New Member

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    Did not God hold ancient Israel's kings responsible for not maintaining the watch towers?
    Did He not instruct Nehemiah to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem?
    In another part of the Law, instructions were given for punishment of a watcher if that watcher did not warn the city of an approaching enemy.
    It seems to me that God surely wants us to be responsible for our political choices. He also wants us to be diligent.

    What got us into war was 8 years of a President that had is eye off the duty of watching and on his cigar toating interns. We got him because the people of this nation voted their pocket books and not personal character. We got 3,000 dead American brothers and sisters on 9-11-2001. Now we have many brave men and women dead in Afghanistan and Iraq because he did not maintain the watch towers (intelligence community and armed forces).

    Going to war does not imply that we have not trusted God. The only time when Israel entered the Promised Land that they were to trust God to wholly deliver a city was Jericho. Then when the walls came down the Israelites were to slay every man, woman, child and beast. God could have accomplished this just as He did to Sodom. He wanted Israel to have confidence in their efforts and in Him. Then after Jericho the Israelites were to mount their own offensives against the remaining cities.

    So yes we are indeed accountable for whom we vote for.
     
  6. Aaron

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    Absolutely. We're commanded to render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and when Caesar asks for our vote, we should render it and yield it as an instrument of righteousness.

    I may not be able to tell who a Christian can justly vote for, but I sure know who it ain't, and it ain't no Democrat.
     
  7. saturneptune

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    I agree 100%. An additional fact is that the Republicans have been in a downward spiral for 7+ years for not staying with conservative values, and compromising. They may not be where the Democrats are yet, but they are close, and it is a matter of time. People like Foley and Craig drive this point home.

    We get the nominees we deserve. They reflect the state of the nation. I had already ruled out Giuliani and Romney from consideration of a vote. McCain is a puzzle, right on the border.

    It comes down to Christians deciding (and we have known this for months) whether we will vote for McCain to keep out the Democrats, or whether we will go with a truly conservative candidate like the unknown nominee of the CP. Each has to decide.

    The bottom line is, the Democrats will win this year, not because of their good ideas, but because the Republicans failed to lead. Look at the primary results of any state. Notice the totals even for the 2nd place Democrat compared to the Republican winner. You may see a Democrat sweep the South and Midwest this year, in addition to their normal states.
     
  8. Dagwood

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    Wrong! :BangHead:
     
  9. KenH

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    You are correct, Dagwood. :thumbs:
     
  10. Magnetic Poles

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    [sarcasm] No guys, didn't you hear? God is giving the keynote address at the GOP Convention this year. And he hates Democrats![/sarcasm] :laugh:
     
  11. billwald

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    >I think we have to be careful of taking this past the logical conclusion. One could surmise, "Let's just trust God, there's no need to respond," in December of 1941.

    We started that one when we froze Japanese money and cut off their oil supply.
     
  12. rbell

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    So...you're saying that our involvement in WWII meant that we did not trust in God?

    Or maybe better stated: Are you saying that since we (USA) were involved in WW2...that means we did not trust in God?
     
  13. poncho

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    You do understand that Caesar works for us and not we for him right? Our founding fathers made Caesar our slave they didn't make us his slave. So here's the question...what rightly belongs to our Caesar here in these United States? In order for us to render unto him what belongs to him first you must ask what belongs to him in the first place.

    So what belongs to Caesar?
     
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    I have never voted for a Caeser but that doesn't mean we don't have a bunch of illegitimate Caesers running around legislating that we render unto them.
     
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    :saint: (Sorry, I can´t stop myself!)

    God doesn´t hate democrats!
    He just wants them to get saved, thats all!! :smilewinkgrin:
     
  16. Magnetic Poles

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    So, you don't think Democrats are saved? One's relationship with God is dependent upon political affiliation? Quite an extrabiblical view, indeed!
     
  17. Justlittleoldme

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    So you really think God is giving the keynote address at the GOP Convention this year???
     
  18. Magnetic Poles

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    Uh..yeeeeaaaaahhh! :rolleyes:
     
  19. rbell

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    No, of course not.

    He's gonna play bass guitar so Mike Huckabee can deliver it.




    :eek: :saint: :laugh:



    JUST KIDDING FOLKS (before the hate male comes)
     
  20. tinytim

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    Anyone that supports killing innocent babies cannot be saved....
    Since pro-choice is on the democrat platform, democrats support abortion...

    Can a democrat be saved? Of course, but they have to defy their pro-gay, pro-abortion agenda. Which few do...
     
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