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I've Given Up Dispensationalism...

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by TCGreek, Jul 25, 2009.

  1. TCGreek

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    While working through Dwight J. Pentecost's Things To Come, I became disillusioned with Dispensationalism, especially a Pre-Tribulation Rapture.

    I've moved into the Historic Premillennial camp (Spurgeon, Ladd, Grudem, Erickson; just to name few)
     
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  2. OldRegular

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    Don't you mean Historic Premillennial Camp?
     
  3. TCGreek

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    Thanks, OR.
     
  4. Tom Butler

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    Seems to me that the lower-case camp is correct. If not, Old Regular, will you enlighten me?
     
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    Obviously TC corrected his typo after OR noted it.

    Ya think it might have been...
    ...the Hysterical Premillennial camp?
    or
    the Historic Premillennial chimp?? :laugh:


    So...
    how to break it to the congregation...
    ... perhaps announce it on the BB?

    I'd be curious to know what some of your church members think.

    For a long time I've though that those of us that are not in an eldership position have much greater flexability when it comes to changing and/or developing our theological positions.

    I'm slowly working through some of these positions myself.

    Rob
     
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  6. swaimj

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    Perhaps you could cite some of the flaws in Pentecost's reasoning that you detected. You've informed us that you are "disillusioned" but have not told us why or the process that you wrestled through.
     
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    But I thought the Left Behind series was an Inspired writing.
     
  8. OldRegular

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    I don't care whether it is lower or upper case camp. I was pointing out that
    there is no Historic "Dispensational" camp. At least not one to which Spurgeon or Ladd belonged.
     
  9. OldRegular

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    Only in the sense that they made a lot of money from the gullible public.
     
  10. OldRegular

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    Congratulations for moving closer to the truth. However, Mudd may be added to your name on this Forum!
     
  11. Allan

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    I'm curious if you still hold to the Premil view (as Spurgeon did) of Israel being restored to their own land and that a king will rule over them?

    This was noted in another thread:
    I will note this as well from Spurgeon.org from "Spurgeon and the Nation of Isreal"(this work, is somewhat extensive on various views):
    And then a little further down it states :
    And then this part seemed interesting as well :)


    Now he does hold that Israel will be included into the church but he also hold to a literal bring back, and setting up of the Jewish nation which shall declare Him to be their God.

    I was just curious as to your take on this aspect with regard to the premil portion?
     
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  12. Tom Bryant

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    I don't know if the OP wants to turn this into a thread supporting his position. But I was wondering about a question that was asked about informing the church of a change in position and if this was a big deal to the church?

    I am pre-mill, pretrib, but I am not going to argue it, but was wondering about working thru the details with the church.
     
  13. Allan

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    I'm not asking him to defend his position. It is just that many uninformed do not understand that the premil position does in fact hold that Israel is seen as a Nation and the promises made to it in the OT will be fulfilled and that they are indeed a Nation in the Mil-reign. I was showing Spurgeon, as a Historic Premil, held to this same view (including the possiblitly of sacrifices being made during Mil-reign, etc..) He was as completely opposed to the ideas of postmil, and Amil as he was against early dispensationalism complete seperation of the church and Israel throughout all time. (which very few dipsy's now hold)

    I was only wondering his position on such, as he is now taking up Historic Premil. Since dispensationalism is based upon Historic Premil, it really isn't to much of a shift to worry about in his church with the exception of a few aspects.
     
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  14. Tom Bryant

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    Sorry, Allan, I didn't think you were asking him to defend his position. I was wondering the same thing as you. Just didn't word it as well.
     
  15. TCGreek

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    I'm the lead pastor of a new work. Go figure! :thumbs:
     
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    Let's just put it this way: God is not done with ethnic Israel. :thumbs:
     
  17. Allan

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    Cool :) , I was just curious on that topic.
     
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    Mr. Spurgeon was a great preacher in his time, but he was not perfect. We do allow some to propagate this pre-mil dream.

    Israel, the present state, is a long ways off even coming close to their own historic beliefs let alone adopt Christian beliefs. They are just another country in this sad world.

    The local church is the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant, the body of Christ and embraces the only hope for this world.

    Cheers,

    Jim

    Panmil forever!
     
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    No ...ism is inspired by God. So why waste one second studying any of them when we have enough trouble understanding scripture and knowing it 100%? However there are those who would spend their time studying an ...ism in an effort to "get a handle" on the "correct" interpretation. When it is nothing more than an attempted shortcut.
     
  20. OldRegular

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    I agree with Spurgeon on his doctrine of Salvation, I disagree with him on his eschatology. I agree that the local church is the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant. Beyond that Jesus Christ the fulfillment of the promise in Eden and is the only hope for the world.
     
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