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Jack Hyles & Hyles Anderson College

Discussion in 'Baptist Colleges & Seminaries' started by Kathy, Aug 21, 2001.

  1. Psalm145 3

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    Jack Hyles used to teach an unbiblical view of repentance. He called repentance "an enemy of soul winning." Hyles said unbelief was the only sin that must be repented of.

    True Biblical repentance means a change of mind toward God and sin that results in a changed life. "Unbelieving" is just one of the sins mentioned in Revelation 21:8.

    Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

    Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Repentance from sin is absolutely necessary for salvation.
     
  2. Bro Shaun

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    Jack Hyles used to teach an unbiblical view of repentance. He called repentance "an enemy of soul winning." Hyles said unbelief was the only sin that must be repented of.

    If you had read Dr. Hyles book you would understand that the belief that obstaining from sin is an enemy to soul winning. He preached that the blood was the only way to Heaven, not obstaining from sin.
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> If you had read Dr. Hyles book you would understand that the belief that obstaining from sin is an enemy to soul winning. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Jesus and the Apostles preached repentance from sin. Lack of preaching repentance today is producing many "lukewarm" Christians who are really not saved, but just think they are.

    To say that repentance is just turning from unbelief to belief is to ignore the Bible.

    Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
    Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they
    repent of their deeds.
     
  4. Ransom

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    Bro Shaun said:

    The word breeches is the same word breaches, or pants, and it is only mentioned in the Bible 5 times (Exodus 28:42, Exodus 39:28, Leviticus 6:10, Leviticus 16:4, Ezekiel 44:18). Each time it is mentioned it is refering to what men are to wear, pants.

    Wrong. Each and every time it is mentioned as part of the priestly vestments.

    If "breeches" are men's clothing, then so is a turban with a gold medallion inscribed with "HOLY TO THE LORD" on it. Are you wearing yours?
     
  5. Dr. Bob

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    Haven't heard the "breeches" argument since dinosaurs roamed . . .

    That is talking about linen underwear that priests wore under their woolen robes. Not wanting even the possibility of a priest's private parts to be accidentally exposed in his strenuous sacrificial duties, God ordered special waist-to-knee linen long boxers.

    NO WHERE in the Bible do we see MEN or WOMEN wearing slacks, blue jeans, etc. If we argue from silence, then I a sinner, for I am wearing those accursed slacks as I sit and type. :rolleyes:

    Absurdities do cause me to grin. Thanks for lifting my spirit! :eek:
     
  6. Bro Shaun

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  7. Kathy

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    Silly Rabbit! Trix are for kids!!! *haha*

    Sorry, just couldn't resist...back to the debate now.

    Kathy
    &lt;&gt;&lt;
     
  8. EPH 1:4

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    Why didn't Jesus or any of the apostles EVER use the term "soul winners" or "soulwinning"?
     
  9. Bro Shaun

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    They didn't use the term "soul winning" but they did tell us to go house to house spreading the Gospel.

    Luke 14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

    Acts 5:42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

    Acts 20:20 And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house,
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bro Shaun:
    They didn't use the term "soul winning" but they did tell us to go house to house spreading the Gospel.

    Luke 14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

    Acts 5:42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

    Acts 20:20 And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house,
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Just as a matter of technicality, the verses cited do not, as you claim, "Tell us to go house to house spreading the gospel." The first says to go to the highway and hedges, not the houses. The purpose is to fill the house. The second and third simply tell us what they did, not necessarily what we should do.

    I am not saying that we should or should not go door to door. But it is very poor exegesis to say that "we were told to" on the basis of these verses.
     
  11. EPH 1:4

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    Most independent baptist believe what they have been taught. I know. Most IB's take scripture out of context. We do NOT "help" Jesus save souls, regardless of what the "big name" IB preachers are preaching. I have heard over and over again "God has done all he can do and now we have to do our part". HOGWASH...MATTHEW 1:21 says "He shall save His people from their sins." We cannot help Him save sinners.
     
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    We CAN be obedient to "go with the Gospel".

    God not only elected men, He elected the means of them hearing - through the preaching of the Word.

    Salvation is of the Lord. Period. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>"Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

    How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

    But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our message?" Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
     
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    What about John the Baptist, he never heard the gospel but was filled with the Holy Ghost in the womb. Same with Jeremiah. We do not help the Lord save sinners.
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EPH 1:4:
    We do not help the Lord save sinners.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Well, if you are referring to convicting a sinner, or giving him faith, or repentence, etc, then you are right. That is God's job as He gives the increase.

    However, we do have a job, and that is to plant and to water.

    So, I don't know if i should agree or disagree with you because your post is not clear . . . what do you mean when you say we do not help the Lord save sinners?
     
  15. EPH 1:4

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    The scripture you are referring to 1 COR. 3:6,"I have planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase," is NOT speaking to lost people, but to the "brethren" v1. It only seems natural that try to "help" God save sinners, but this is a work of the Lord and not us, and He will save ALL of His people.
     
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    Sorry, I just noticed that on the first page someone referred to "liberal baptists who claim to be IFB but are actually Southern Baptist."

    I admit, I've learned a lot about the differences between the left wing and the right wing of baptist life; but I thought the SBC was the absolute, radical, far right, somewhat loony extreme. I didn't know anyone thought they were liberal.

    By the way, did I miss something or are there people on this forum who believe that God cares whether men or women wear pants, sarongs, togas, or kilts?

    Joshua
     
  17. Bro Shaun

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CJoshuaV:
    ...but I thought the SBC was the absolute, radical, far right, somewhat loony extreme. I didn't know anyone thought they were liberal.

    By the way, did I miss something or are there people on this forum who believe that God cares whether men or women wear pants, sarongs, togas, or kilts?

    Joshua
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    Who have you been talking to. Southern Baptists are as liberal as Bill Clinton. Last year they decided than women and homosexuals should'nt be preachers, God decided that years ago. :eek:

    And yes, God does care what you wear. :D
     
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    Brother Shaun, my guess is that your understanding of baptist and mine are farther apart than we could even begin to comprehend.

    Oh, and no God doesn't. :D

    Joshua
     
  19. Bro Shaun

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    What is your definition of baptist then, cause if you think the SBC is conservative, I gotta hear it.

    And, yes He does. 1Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
     
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    Shaun,

    I agree that Paul was concerned about the attire of some of the women in a few local congregations, but I try not to confuse Paul's culturally localized advice with the divine will of our transcendant God.

    I use Walter B. Shurden's definition from Four Fragile Freedoms:

    - Church Freedom (local church autonomy)
    - Personal/Soul Freedom (priesthood of the believer)
    - Bible Freedom (right of each person to study and interpret the Bible)
    - Religious Freedom (separation of church and state)

    I don't think the SBC is conservative. I think it's right wing fanatical. I think the CBF is conservative. My ordination and chaplaincy endorsement through the Alliance of Baptists.

    Joshua
     
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