Jack Hyles Pastor School

1. I am a Christian with the Holy Spirit and the Bible as my guide for judging the fruits of the spirit.

2. Who do you think you are to boldly proclaim that he is in heaven?


When you have led 1/4 of the people he has led to the Lord speak then. Until then please stick to the topic. </font>[/QUOTE]1. One does not lead others to the Lord with a false Gospel. This is a false liberal theology.

2. I don't lead others to the Lord. It is the Spirit that draws the elect. I simply proclaim the Word of God as I have been instructed to do by God in his Word. Salvation is not of man (not even the almighty Jack Hyles), but a work of God.

Joseph Botwinick [/QUOTE]So, God now calls "fruit-inspectors"? NOT! Better be careful friend, there is the Judgement Seat of Christ

 

Ralph, with your attitude towards others here, I believe you should be considering that you should be considering your own advice.

 

My Pastor and some others will be attending the Pastor's conference. Two of them are graduates of HAC. I believe all that are attending from my church are true men of God, and personally believe that most, if not all, of them will return better from taking the trip. I have personally met preachers and missionaries that were led to Christ by the Holy Spirit through Jack Hyles as His instrument--?voice for the gospel, and some were even bus kids out of Chicago. I also know quite a few that are graduates of HAC, but were not saved at First Baptist Hammond. Personally, they are some of the most dedicated and sincerest that I have ever met. Of course, I have met others from other Bible colleges that are just as dedicated and sincere. Their degrees may be worthless, some of their beliefs may be considered wacky (some I do not 100% agree with), and they may be a bit extreme; however, I enjoy being with them more than anyone else that I have ever met in my Christian walk.

 

Though Fresh Oil isn't my favorite Hyles sermon (Mine would be 'Sunday is Coming!' I didn't find anything wrong with it; Of course being a Calvinist I don't expect you to like anything coming out of Hammond and I suspect that Hammond doesn't much care for you either

 

Being a Calvinist has absolutely nothing to do with not liking what comes out of Hammond.

 

I have attended pastor's school many, many years ago and got some good ideas about administration and ministry. However, there was a lot of melarkey to deal with in getting some good ideas.

A young man from my church attended HAC right out of high school for one semester and then transfered to another Christian college. His comment to me was that the teaching at HAC was equivalent to his high school SS class.

By the way when Dr. Rice's horse came into the city auditorium at Hammond he returned his thanks for a HAC degree by making a deposit on the stage. A fitting tribute, I think!

 

Whole heartedly agree, Circuitrider!

 

Amen

 

Jack Hyles' converts? Been looking for that rare bird for 20 years . . . . still haven't found one, unless you count the girl he led to the Lord on the phone after a wrong number to a Michigan motel room.

I asked everyone I knew to ask at FBC for years . . . . and never heard one named mentioned.

So . . . . what do you call a person who builds a national reputation on the basis of a practice in which is not apparently engaged himself. Hmmmmmm . . . . . I think I'll check my Webster's Unabridged . . . .

Of course . . . the very thought is unthinkable, not to mention obviously offered "in a critical spirit," so off I go to Fundo Hades! (again . . . ) well . . . you (yes YOU, my good Fundamentalist brother or sister) can put an end HERE and NOW . . .this VERY day to this disrespectful, unthinkable and insidious accusation: just name me a personal convert of Jack Hyles!

(btw . . since JH obviously went "soul winning" every week the way he obligated others to . . . . just when did he go? Where did he go? Take your time . . . . )

I have been looking into this for 20 years, & I don't know. Please do pardon my ignorance.

 

He went soul winning everytime he stepped out of the door. He witnessed to everyone he met, anytime - anyplace...

 

So how do you know that? Did you see him do it? Who are the converts? Where are they? Can we hear from one?

I would venture to say that you did not spend any time with him in a public setting (non-church, because that is where the unsaved are.) So PLEASE do tell us: how do you know Hyles had converts?

The answer is that, like me and so many others, THIS IS WHAT WE WERE CONSTANTLY TOLD!

I am still waiting for the NAME of one of Jack Hyles' converts.

Those of us who came from there and eventually began to use our higher cognitive functions, independent of the mothership, have realized that absent those names, we are justified in believing that the man was not at all what he claimed to be.

The question on the table is still: where are the names of Jack Hyles' converts?

 

My Pastor has spent time with Jack Hyles in the past. He was amazed that the man NEVER passed up an opportunity to witness.

I don't know the names of the people he has led to the Lord, but God does. They are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

 

So your information is then second-hand. Guess what? So is everyone elses!

I assume that your pastor's experience with Jack Hyles witnessing was away from Hammond. So the converts should be in your pastor's church area, right? So where are they?

Once again . . . . lots of second and third-hand information about Jack Hyles' converts . . . . but no names.

(btw . . . . I did meet his convert from Michigan . . . just before she committed suicide...)

 

My information may be second-hand, but please don't accuse my Pastor of lying!

You sound angry and you have a very hateful, critical, spirit my friend. I'll pray for you.

The man is dead. Let him rest in peace...

 

Again, I must say that Jack Hyles did many GOOD things as opposed to those that were questionable. If Dr. Hyles would not have been excited enough about bus ministries, my family might never have come to the Lord. I don't know. I do know that because he was a soulwinner (and yes, I HAVE met some of the converts led to the Lord personally by him) he cared for souls. He was like any other person on these forums, subject to the human failures that come along. I agree with Sue. He's dead and gone, and his legacy both good and bad will live on. I'm not saying don't point out the error. I'm saying, point it out in love and let God worry about the consequences to Dr. Hyles.

 

May the man's legacy be based on TRUTH! Why do you folks always vilify his critics? What did I say that was "hateful." I don't mean to be unkind, but you are deceived. I was there for 16 years, graduated from HAC & HAC seminary, and had a personal relationship with the man. Jack Hyles was in my view not what he claimed to be.

If you want to defend him, give me the names of some of his converts. Can you name one? I challenge you.

At least Schaap tried to win souls. I went with him many times to Purdue every Wednesday. He was more interested in having a "big day," but he deserves some credit for witnessing. Jack Hyles does not.

Again, the ball is in your court on this one. If you choose to support Jack Hyles, then please do it truthfully, and not on the basis of "loyalty" or image.

All I am saying is that Hyles was NOT a personal soul-winner. It doesn't make sense to argue about it or call anyone names. Either you can produce his converts' names or you can't. I say you can't, but will apologize if proven wrong.

 

I don't believe I called anyone a name.

I don't keep track of the names that other people win to the Lord, just the ones I lead to the Lord.

May I ask, if HAC is so bad; why you were there 16 years?

I'm not saying the man was perfect, but why villify a dead man who cannot defend himself and why throw the baby out with the bathwater?