James White at Golden Gate

What are the reasons?

Yeah.............then there's Thomas Ice, the R C Sproul's (Jr & Sr), Kenneth Gentry, George Grant, Joseph Morecraft, et. al. So, what's the reasons? I'd love to know.

 

But then again not everybody wants to TEACH in a COLLEGE or SEMINARY,some just want to go plant a church, be the second man or just become a better Christian.

You guys act like White and Ice and those who have become recognized did so in spite of the fact that some school tried to drain thier brain.You don't seem willing to give credit for anything not on your own particular list. I have learned a great deal from most of you and really appreciate and respect most of what you have to say, but I think you need to loosen up a little and give credit where credit is due.I can't imagine how hard of a time Moody and Sprugeon would be having trying to start a school up in these times , since nobody starts out accredited and not everybody is looking for accreditation.

You ask yourself what makes some of these schools attractive?Here goes:
They believe the Bible is true word for word cover to cover.
They are not trying to be calvinist or arminean in thier theology or doctrine.
They believe in pre-mil, pre-trib rapture of the church.
They believe OSAS.
They believe in the creation account as given in the Bible(6 days).
They believe in all of the miracles as written in the Bible.
They are somewhat affordable.
They can be done from where the student is.
They want some hard skills,hands on over and above academic skills.They know when they have a mentor (or have to account to a pastor)that they will know how to do visitation,build a bus ministry,learn to teach a SS class,do practicle evangelism.
Due to a variety of reasons they don't trust most Bible colleges and seminaries that are accredited.

I think the above criterea is more important than ease of earning a degree.:BangHead:

 

Hey Rhet,
Good to talk to ya. I been busy reading Calvin's Institutes and Grudem's Theology as well as still trying to teach myself Greek. Plus it's been a little quiet here as far as topics of any real interest. I have been Peeking in though.
As a matter of fact you were not included in that group. I am assuming you are still a mentor at Columbia. The reason I mention them is I'm leaning in that direction somewhat, designing my own program of study is very appealing.How are your language skills?:1_grouphug:

 

Oh, by the way, I am not trying to be insulting either. I'm just trying to get folks to think a little outside of thier own box and get a little understanding of what many are really looking for. Does that make sense?:godisgood:

 

Sometimes you are so funny I have to laugh. Thanks.:laugh: :thumbs:

 

You ask yourself what makes some of these schools attractive?Here goes:
They believe the Bible is true word for word cover to cover.


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Is this a quality not found in accreditedschools, then?

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They are not trying to be calvinist or arminean in thier theology or doctrine.

They believe in pre-mil, pre-trib rapture of the church.

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help me understand why eschatology must be precise, but soteriology is wide open.

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They believe OSAS.

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well then, how are they Arminian?

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They believe in the creation account as given in the Bible(6 days).
They believe in all of the miracles as written in the Bible.

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But this is true of EACH and EVERY TRACS accredited schools!

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They are somewhat affordable.
They can be done from where the student is.

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So, distance education is only done at UA schools , and inexpensive SA is not an option?

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They want some hard skills,hands on over and above academic skills.

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I think you'll find that most accredited MDiv programs have about 1/3 praxis.

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They know when they have a mentor (or have to account to a pastor)that they will know how to do visitation,build a bus ministry,learn to teach a SS class,do practicle evangelism.

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You've got me there. Bus driving is a part of no accred MDiv that I know. Seems might be a difficut subject for DE instruction.

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Due to a variety of reasons they don't trust most Bible colleges and seminaries that are accredited.

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Difficult to respond to something indefinite.

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I think the above criterea is more important than ease of earning a degree.:BangHead:[/quote]

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I think ease may be a part of why some opt for UA grad programs.

 

Dear UzThD,
There is more to it than learning how to drive a bus which you would learn at church (one of the bus captains would help you).There is learning to develop and grow a bus route.There is follow-up visitation and getting to know the parents of the children on your bus route, inviting them along to church as well, presenting the gospel message to the whole household as you get to know the family.

The Calvinist/Arminean thought was to point more toward what is taught in the Bible than what the two main bodies of theology teach. The word calminean comes to mind but it is still not quite appropriate.

Knowing where someone stands on the rapture will tell you something about the rest of thier theology.I don't want to spend my study time protecting myself from what my professor is teaching.If we can't agree on a few things in the beginning I don't want to waste my time.

Some are always going to take the easy ride. I don't think there is anything we can do about those folks.

I know you have a particular expertise in DE, so I especially respect your views.I love the fact that TRACS is gaining more respect and recognition and am hoping more and more schools turn to TRACS. I don't know if there is a way in which TRACS could accredit an undergraduate program and not a graduate program from the same school but I think that would be helpful in some cases.It would also be useful if they could separate professional graduate degrees from research degrees for accreditation.What think you?

Your Friend in Christ,

POB Bill

 

Who perseveres?

Like my good friend Roger, I rather think of "Perseverence of the Saviour" than "Perseverence of the Saints." If it depends on me, I may not perservere--my Saviour will.

 

Amen Paid!:thumbsup:

 

The Calvinist/Arminean thought was to point more toward what is taught in the Bible than what the two main bodies of theology teach. The word calminean comes to mind but it is still not quite appropriate.

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Bill:

Forgive my confrontiveness, please!

I think representatives of each group would say their opinion is taught in the Bible. To say,"Give me Bible not Calvinism or Arminianism" IMO is presumptuous. One can hold views which are pure assumption and call it "Bible."

MY MA in Theol is from an Arminian school...didn't hurt me a bit!

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Knowing where someone stands on the rapture will tell you something about the rest of thier theology.

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Is that right? As for me I lean toward Post Trib, but am unsure. After thorough study, I remain undecided!

Now, what does that tell you about the rest of my Theology?

My beliefs on prologomena are?
on Theology proper??
on Christology???
on Pneumatology????
on Anthropology?????
on Soteriology??????

Be specific now all based on my indecision on the rapture.

Or here: contrast the soteriology of Feinberg and Moo given their differences on the Rapture.


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I don't want to spend my study time protecting myself from what my professor is teaching.If we can't agree on a few things in the beginning I don't want to waste my time.

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So, you know more than does your professor about his subject? I agree ; don't waste your time...or his(or hers).

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Your friend,

Bill

 

You are right I won't. There are all kinds of people in all kinds of colleges and seminaries with doctorates. Are you trying to tell me they all have thier theology correct?

My best guess about you is:
You are probably a Regular Baptist or lean in that direction.If that's not so then you are probably some form of Reformist in a southern baptist church.
You are probably a 4 or 5 point calvinist.
Your favorite translation of the Bible is probably NASB.Mine is ESV.
You are probably also a cessationist.
I would be curious to know your beliefs on the creation account in Genisis.
You think that the rapture will be at least seven years from now if the tribulation were to start at this moment so that rules out the eminant return of the Lord.

I could be wrong on all of this but I think I'm closer then you thought I would be.

 

On the differences in soteriolgy between Douglas Moo and John Feinburg, would'nt it be easier to look in "Continuity and Discontinuity" by S.Lewis Johnson and John Feinburg.
Does'nt that discuss the difference in O.T salvation and N.T. salvation.I have'nt read that yet but plan to in the near future.:godisgood: