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JEB BUSH: Obama Should Focus on His Job, Not My Brother

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Revmitchell, Apr 10, 2009.

  1. LeBuick

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    This is sort of true, McCain wouldn't have gotten in no matter what but if you're saying the primaries would have gone differently then you may have a point. I think McCain holds the record for failed presidential runs.
     
  2. Revmitchell

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    A rather poor attempt to justify your support of abortionists. No reasonable person buys it.
     
  3. Bro. Curtis

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    What good does the Lord see in us ? In ANY of us ? Your statement exhibits a total lack of biblical understanding, and makes you sound more like a Buddhist than a Christian.
     
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    Bush inherited a recession caused by the .com bubble burst. Then 9/11 happened, partially the result of Clinton refusal to take Osama and partially by treating acts of terrorism as a simple criminal act

    He criticized, he dumped on President Bush. As I recall he accused President Bush and America of being arrogant.
     
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    Exactly. We know this.

    Of course not. They were obtained based on the legitimate ability to repay. Do you think the government has the legitimate ability to repay the trillions of dollars of debt being run up?

    Unwise to quote Obama in any case, particularly when he is wrong. I haven't used a scalpel or a hatchet. I am saying, Stop spending.

    I didn't say it did. I said the same ideology got us here ... spending money we don't have.

    As you should know (but perhaps don't), the economy is very complex. You can't trace it to one thing.

    He takes bad advice, says stupid stuff, shows himself to be uninformed on major and simple issues. This has been well documented.

    Yes, it usually takes longer than an entire presidency to run up a trillion dollar debt. Obama did it in 30 days. What else has he done? Nothing of substanc.e

    I haven't seen them actually address much of anything. They spent a trillion dollars.

    Really? So God's law is not eternal? That's a strange theological point.

    Furthemore, God's law isn't about regulating banking so it's really off topic here.

    Pretty much, yes.

    There aren't that many of these, though there are some.

    Bankers don't give loans to people who don't ask for them. They didn't have to give a loan. The banks should have to eat the loans, or the investors that bought them. That's the way it works.

    There's no way to overestimate the stupidity of some people. It just cant' be done. We see that every day.
     
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    That is because you are either not reading the posts or have limited understanding. When you are arguing between most liberal Obama and liberal Bush, you are debating the differences between Democrats and Republicans. Your quote "I see no where" has nothing to do with the facts.
     
  7. Revmitchell

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    There are clear differences. But it is not being argued here. Discussing inappropriate comments made by Obama does not make an argument on the differences between the parties.
     
  8. JustChristian

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    The truth is Obama inherited a very bad situation from Bush. Jeb doesn't like to hear it but it's true.
     
  9. JustChristian

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    Did Roosevelt come into a difficult situation? How about Truman? Sometimes it's best to accept reality.
     
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    Jeb is right!

    No matter when the problems got started.....

    The problems faced by Pres. Obama are his and not someone else's.

    Either he can do something about these problems or he can't .... but he can't give them to someone else.

    It adds nothing to his position of leadership to remind folks of what was>>>>>What was....... was either ignored or worked on then ....... but the O can't go back to that tiem. All he can do is upon what is now.... and the options he has NOW..... and the choices he makes NOW, may add or remove options he might wish to use later.
     
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    Bush came into a very difficult situation too, but you didn't see him playing petty games. The reality is that Obama looks petty and ineffective. As you said, "sometimes it's just best to accept reality."

    Bush was pathetic, as I have said many times. Obama is starting off worse.
     
  12. JustChristian

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    Pn what way did Bush come into a difficult situation. The stock market and the economy were booming and we weren't fighting two wars. What was so difficult about Jan. 2001?
     
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    What the point of your post to the OP?
     
  14. LeBuick

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    Just stating facts Rev, just stating facts. I was looking for anyone to buy it.
     
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    I answered the preceeding post which I quoted.

    Bush came into a very difficult situation too, but you didn't see him playing petty games. The reality is that Obama looks petty and ineffective. As you said, "sometimes it's just best to accept reality."

    In what way does your post apply to the OP?
     
  16. LeBuick

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    That is not the point, government debt has nothing to do with this crises. However, to answer your question YES. However the Republican's would object because it means raising taxes.

    You are using a hatchet when you blame this crises on people spending or getting loans they couldn't afford.

    Government spending is what Obama is doing and Government spending is not what caused this crises.

    So no facts and nothing indisputable, just opinion...

    So the measurement of a president is how much debt he accumulates? I recall Reagan quadrupled the debt while he was in office. How does he fit in this equation.

    Not following you here. Yes his law is eternal but what does that have to do with my analogy?

    No, God's law is about giving mankind guidelines by which to coexist so it is very relevant since that is the basis of regulation.

    Now we get to the problem, the investor in this case is mom and pops who took Bush' advice that we can manage our money better than the government and now has a 401K. This gave us millions of innocent workers who knows nothing about the pitfalls in the market investing their financial future. Yes, we could let these innocent investors pay for the crime but it will surely collapse social security and produce millions of American's with no way to retire. The true unfortunate part of this whole mess is innocent peoples 401K's were the ones that really took the hit.

    Any smart investor or someone with a financial adviser knew when to get out of those investments.

    I agree, which is reason we must protect man from himself. It sounds stupid to put "keep out of reach of children" on the side of a medicine bottle but enough harmed children caused the regulation to be needed.

    Do we really need he surgeon generals warning on the side of a cigarette pack? However, without it the tobacco companies would get sued out of existence.
     
  17. LeBuick

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    They are his by inheritance which means he didn't create them... He wouldn't have to do it if the right didn't constantly call it his crises and make statements like, "he's been in office two days and the economy is no better"... You must not remember what the right was doing which led him to be defensive? I think what the right hates the most is he's right.

    In case you haven't noticed he is doing a great job with these problems. Things are starting to break loose as far as loans etc...

    I don't see anyone not on the right who feels it detracts from his leadership by reminding the right who was at the wheel when we got in this mess. I understand why the right doesn't want a constant reminder but the facts won't change because we ignore them.
     
  18. LeBuick

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    Bush took over with a surplus and the dot.com boom was still in full swing. Unemployment was around 3.4%. We were not at war. What difficulty did he have?
     
  19. LeBuick

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    JC... I done heard it all with this Bush took over a mess argument. Now don't get me wrong because I voted for Bush the first time but he took over one of the smoothest times in our history. Clinton handed him a comparatively great running nation. Now I agree 9/11 changed that but he had a comparatively uneventful first year in office.

    Now the first thing he did was cut taxes which took care of the surplus situation.
     
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    I trust that the above statement is a mistake and not a deliberate lie. i had pointed out earlier that President Bush inherited the dot com bubble burst.

    Market Crashes: The Dotcom Crash
    When: March 11, 2000 to October 9, 2002
    Where: Silicon Valley (for the most part)

    Percentage Lost From Peak to Bottom: The Nasdaq Composite lost 78% of its value as it fell from 5046.86 to 1114.11.

    http://www.investopedia.com/features/crashes/crashes8.asp
     
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