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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by tyndale1946, May 5, 2021.

  1. George Antonios

    George Antonios Well-Known Member

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    Please use bigger font next time.
     
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    dIG dUDE. Lost people ought to be able to see it that way.
    I pasted from my blog and had fonted for phone reading.

    They do that automatically, now.

    The sections being defined by a VISION EACH, is the key to Revelation. Zero use or need to read or study or invent Disney land all over by.............."reading revelation chapter by chapter, chronologically". .......Zero.......

    That results in the garbage, trash, and truly Satanic Insanity of what could be denominated, "Christain Book Publisher's Mega-Profits".

    Precious little more and generation after generation not told about Jesus, in a way that could be USED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.
     
  3. tyndale1946

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    Yeah!... Alan is the BIG FONT man... Whereas Iconoclast is the Rainbow Font man... And some are, I'm writing a book man... Then actually he is not new but he has been here before is Paul Of Antioch he is the how many different emojes can I put in one post man:eek:... The BB is loaded with all different characters... Now you don't want us all to think the same, do you George?:confused:... There are way more than 57 varieties on here and that's just the Baptist... Brother Glen:)
     
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  4. George Antonios

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    I WASN'T AWARE THAT YOUR THINKING WAS A FUNCTION OF YOUR FONT SIZE AND COLOUR...
     
  5. tyndale1946

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    My apologies I'm going to stick around... I got confused as there were two OP on the same subject, running at the same time... I was responding in one but it closed... In all my time on the BB, I have never excused myself from my own OP:Notworthy... Well that's a first:oops:... In the words of a previous Governor Of California!... I'M BACK!!!... Now where were we?... Brother Glen:D
     
  6. Alan Gross

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    yes, absolutely. all my 700, or so, blogs, at Private Site, are an example of this being one of a number of TOOLS used by successful collaborators.

    However, no, they don't pierce through the soul and spirit.

    Only the inspired Word of GOD DOES.

    (ok, MY SITE POPPED UP PRIVATE. Let me know if you want to see things)
     
  7. tyndale1946

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    I'm just telling you the facts George!... It is what it is!... Each of us have our own style... I was just giving you examples... You can be sure of one thing when Alan posts, you don't need glasses:Thumbsup... Brother Glen:Biggrin
     
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  8. George Antonios

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    No, you weren't:

    But enough of that.
     
  9. Alan Gross

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    The brothers, here at BB, have asked me to clear the direct formatting, previously, to allow the readers a more favorable view of the contents.

    I can tell you exactly when
    The END of The WORLD
    Will Be:


    The Answer to

    when will
    The END of The WORLD Be?:

    was Given by
    Jesus to His Disciples,
    in Answer to the last question
    His Disciples had asked of Him,
    at the latter portion of
    Matthew 24:3b..,c



    Jesus’ Disciples had asked of Him,
    at the latter portion of
    Matthew 24:3b..,c

    ‘what Will Be the Sign of …
    The End of The World’.


    Jesus’ Answer was
    in Matthew 24:35, 36 & 37;

    Matthew 24:35;
    “Heaven and Earth
    Will Pass Away,
    but
    My Words
    Will Not Pass Away.”

    Matthew 24:36;
    “But of that day and hour”

    ( WHEN:
    ‘Heaven and Earth
    Will Pass Away’ )

    “knows no man,
    no, not the Angels of Heaven,
    but My Father only.

    Matthew 24:36;
    “37 But as the days of Noah were,
    so Will also
    the Coming
    of The Son of man Be.”



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    A brief discussion of
    The BIBLE DEFINITION
    of ‘The Gospel’
    in Matthew 24:14
    and
    ‘The Abomination
    of Desolation of Jerusalem
    and The Temple,
    in Mattew 24:1, 2 & 3.

    Matthew 24:14
    And this Gospel of the Kingdom”
    i.e., The Good News of
    The Promised Messiah
    which would be defined
    in 1 Corinthians 15:1 & 4 as;
    “Christ Died for our sins
    According to the Scriptures;

    “4 And that He was Buried,
    and that He Rose again
    The Third Day”

    Matthew 24:14b;
    “And this Gospel of the Kingdom
    shall be Preached in all the World
    for a witness unto all Nations;
    and then Will the end* come.”

    This ‘end*’ being
    The END of Jerusalem and The Temple,
    about which Jesus
    was Answering the Apostles question,
    regarding His Statement to them
    Revealing to them
    The Coming Destruction of Jerusalem
    and The Temple,
    here in Mattew 24:1,2 & 3a;

    “1 And Jesus went out,
    and departed from the Temple:
    and his Disciples came to Him
    for to show Him
    the buildings of the Temple.

    “2 And Jesus Said to them,
    See ye, not all these things?
    verily I Say to you,
    There Will not be left here
    one stone upon another,
    that will not be thrown down.

    “3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives,
    the Disciples came unto Him privately,
    saying,
    Tell us, when shall these things be?
    and what Will be
    The Sign of Your coming*,”

    In Matthew 24:3 b & c;
    In their First Two Questions:
    in Matthew 24:3 b;
    when Jesus’
    “…Disciples came to Him privately,
    saying,
    1.) Tell us, when Will these things be?
    and
    in Matthew 24:3 c
    2.) what Will Be
    The Sign of Your coming*,”
    Jesus is Answering His Disciples,
    Regarding their
    First Two Questions:
    1.) Tell us, when Will these things be?
    and
    2.) what Will Be
    The Sign of Your coming*,”
    that had to do with
    what Jesus had just Said,
    about
    The Destruction of The Temple,
    in Matthew 24:2;

    “2 And Jesus Said to them,
    See ye, not all these things?
    verily I Say to you,
    There Will not be left here
    one stone upon another,
    that will not be thrown down.”

    When Jesus then Answers
    these First Two Questions
    by His Disciples,
    1.) Tell us, when Will these things be?
    and
    2.) what Will Be
    The Sign of Your coming*,”
    Jesus Answers
    these
    First two Questions,
    in Matthew 24:4-34.

    Matthew 24:4-34
    is an

    Explanation
    Jesus is Giving His Disciples,

    Regarding
    The Destruction of The Temple,
    He had JUST MENTIONED:
    in Matthew 24:2;

    “2 And Jesus Said to them,
    See ye, not all these things?
    verily I Say to you,
    There Will not be left here
    one stone upon another,
    that will not be thrown down.”

    Everything Recorded
    in Matthew 24:4-34, is

    Jesus’ Explanation of
    The Abomination of Desolation’

    that
    Jesus Refers to SPECIFICALLY,
    in MATTHEW 24:15;
    15 When you, therefore, will see
    The Abomination of Desolation,
    spoken of by
    Daniel the Prophet,
    stand in the holy place,
    (whoso readeth,
    let him understand),
    INCLUDING
    The ‘coming’ of Jesus,
    mentioned
    in His Disciples Second Question,
    in Matthew 24:3b;
    2.) what Will Be
    The Sign of Your coming*”.

    In Divine Interpretation of

    Jesus’ Explanation of
    The Abomination of Desolation’

    that
    Jesus Refers to SPECIFICALLY,
    in MATTHEW 24:15;
    15 When you, therefore, will see
    The Abomination of Desolation,
    spoken of by
    Daniel the Prophet,”
    WHEN JESUS
    COMES AGAINST THE APOSTATE
    AND
    REPROBATE NATION of ISRAEL,
    IN JUDGMENT
    UPON
    JERUSALEM AND THE TEMPLE.



    “2 And Jesus Said to them,
    See ye, not all these things?
    verily I Say to you,
    There Will not be left here
    one stone upon another,
    that will not be thrown down.”
    was
    PROPHESIED BY DANIEL,
    as The Abomination of Desolation,
    i.e., Jesus
    Does Not begin to answer
    the Apostles
    THIRD QUESTION,
    in Matthew 24:3 b & d
    about,
    ‘what shall be the sign of …
    The End of The World’,
    that Jesus’ Disciples Asked,
    in Matthew 24:3 b & d,
    until
    Matthew 24:35-37;

    when Jesus Answers the Apostles
    with regard to,

    ‘when will
    The End of The World be’?

    Jesus Answers them,
    Saying;
    “35 Heaven and Earth Will pass away,
    but My Words Will Not Pass Away.

    “36 But of that Day and Hour
    knows no man,
    no, not the Angels of Heaven,
    but My Father only.

    “37 But as the days of Noah were,
    so Will also
    the Coming of The Son of man be.”

    THAT, MY FRIENDS,
    is
    The RETURN of JESUS CHRIST
    to EARTH,
    at
    JESUS’ SECOND COMING,
    and
    The END of THE WORLD,
    at which Time
    JESUS WILL CREATE
    a NEW HEAVEN and A NEW EARTH.
    *****
    Be Ready at Any Hour.

    more, visable.
     
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    I also have a Giant print KJV I go to quite frequently and I also quote the KJV and put it in Bold!... Us old timers need all the help we can get... Brother Glen:Thumbsup
     
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    I'm sorry but this is like reading a scroll.
     
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    Both Calvinism and Arminianism make the claim that they get their theology from the Bible. It is true that they both use passages of Scripture to make their case. Beyond that it is up to the individual believer to decide if either one or the other is consistent in the application of the Scriptures.

    My point is that this current discussion is being argued within the overall teaching of either Calvinism or Arminianism using those passages of scripture and the historic teachings of one or the other camp, sometimes in disregard of the message of the Bible as a whole. If you think that all of the specific OT covenant details are merged into one NT covenant fulfilled in the Christian church then you will see no purpose in a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth regardless of any specific OT or NT passage that talks about the 1000 years.

    If an individual is committed to Augustinian/Reformed covenant theology then no amount of discussion, debate, argument and/or quoting of Scriptures will allow that person to see a need or purpose in any kind of 1000 years on earth or any future for national Israel. It is to be frank a pointless debate, unless one is willing to simply let the actual words of the Bible determine their theology rather than their theology determine their belief.

    At the crux of Augustinian/Reformed covenant theology is the idea that the Jews had their chance and blew it. While it is true that they missed their opportunity to receive their Savior, the purposes of Jehovah are not dependent on obedience. If it were, the "modern church" would be in the same position today as the Jews were 2000 years ago, overall we are in open rebellion to Him who died on a cross for our salvation. If God can change His mind and cancel promises made to the Jews, there is no reason to believe that the modern corrupt church will fare any better.

    Consider that Moses predicted that the Jews would totally corrupt themselves even before they entered the land and that Ezekiel declared that restoration to the land is for the sake of the reputation of Jehovah and His Holy name...period. This means that God knew the Jews would be unfaithful when he made his promises but he made them anyway and will keep them anyway. If he doesn't we are all in big trouble because God knew the church would corrupt itself in a similar fashion. So the big question becomes one of the purity of the church and/or the individual believer. I'm personally depending on God keeping His promises because of His grace because I haven't achieved godly purity.
     
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    1 Peter 5:8, ". . . Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: . . ."

    James 4:7, ". . . Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. . . ."

    2 Corinthians 4:3-4, ". . . But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. . . ."

    Matthew 13:29, ". . . When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. . . ."

    Matthew 24:6, ". . . And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. . . ."

    Revelation 20:2-3, ". . . And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. . . ."

    Daniel 9:26, ". . . Messiah be cut off, . . ." 30 AD.

    Daniel 9:26, ". . . the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; . . ." 70 AD.

    Daniel 9:26, " . . . the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. . . ." Revelation 14:20, ". . . And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. . . ." Revelation 19:13, ". . . And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. . . ."
     
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    Actually there are holding to CT like myself, and Spurgeon, and Boice, who were premil still!
     
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    I believe Christs 1000 yr reign began at His resurrection and ascension to the Father, and is until His Second Coming 1 Cor 15:25
    For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
     
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    Come Thou font of every blessing,
    tune my heart to sing Thy praise.
     
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    Them missing Christ as the Savior, Passover Lamb, was by design of God. They did not recognize Him so as for Him to be crucified and the gospel to be received by some gentiles. But not all of the Jews rejected Christ, even so there was and still is a faithful remnant of believing jews according to God's promise.

    So in Romans 11 when Paul rhetorically asks, Has God rejected His people whom HE has foreknown? We can wholeheartedly say NEVER. Because the elect among them believe in Christ, just as some elect Gentiles believe in Christ. There is a remnant chosen according to the election of grace, and those are who His people always were and are, from both Gentile and Jew.

    11 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

    7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

    “God has given them a spirit of stupor,
    Eyes that they should not see
    And ears that they should not hear,
    To this very day.”
     
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