Jesus walking over the sea

Actually, the 3 Gospels are all in agreement: All three use the same words for Jesus walking on the sea; and the same words for the disciples seeing Jesus walking on the sea.

If the gospels are in agreement on the wording, then interpreting them to mean "around" instead of "on" is another form of eisogesis.

Are you sure that it was impossible for Him to do His intentions?

In John 6, He boarded the boat and then they immediately found themselves at the shoreline point they were trying to reach. In Matthew 14, He rebuked Peter's lack of faith; and the ones on the boat recognized His divinity (verse 33). In Mark 6, they were sore amazed beyond measure, and wondered.

In your interpretation, He was simply trying to get to the other side, and saw the boat in trouble. Also in your interpretation, He would have boarded a boat that was basically already ashore; they would have had to cast off again to resume their on-sea journey to their destination. This casting off again is not identified in scripture.

The final thing we have to address is geography. First, we have to agree on the starting point of this story, so where did the boat cast off from?

 

Go, I hope you realize that I've been trying to have a reasonable discussion with you. So here's a serious question: What's the definition of "sea"?

 

You made the statement in this thread. Now back it up

 

You just contradicted yourself.

I named at least 13 yeaterday which you ignored.

I can't close threads

Um...sure

As you said, you are "not good in english[sic]."


Jesus walked(that's what the Greek term means) on the water. It showed that Jesus had divine power. Moses didn't have the power but was used by God. Jesus is God.

 

Sir, I suggest you get a new Greek dictionary. Every one that I've consulted says the same thing:
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]Original Word[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]Word Origin[/FONT] περιπατέω [FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]from (4012) and (3961)[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]Transliterated Word[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]Phonetic Spelling[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]peripateō[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]per-ee-pat-eh'-o[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]Parts of Speech[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]TDNT[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]Verb[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]5:940,804[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]Definition[/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Geneva]

1. to walk
   1. to make one's way, progress; to make due use of opportunities
   2. Hebrew for, to live
      1. to regulate one's life
      2. to conduct one's self
      3. to pass one's life

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Also in the english language, there is no difference between "upon" and "across" or "over" when used in conjunction with an object; in other words, you can say "he walked across the bridge," "he walked over the bridge," and "he walked upon the bridge," and you'd have the same thing: He was on a bridge.

In the case of the english translation of the scripture, we have "He walked across the sea," "He walked over the sea," and "He walked upon the sea"; and they'd all mean He was above the sea.

 

You have yet to accomplish your attempt at "plain English" therefore I doubt you know what "plain English" is.

 

He's a troll or sock. He's not here for serious discussion. That's why yesterday I quoted from Skandelon 13 divine attributes and he just claimed that nobody has named them.

That's why I've asked the mods why he's being allowed to post here in the baptist only section.

 

I agree :thumbs: neither is he Baptist

 

:thumbsup:

 

oops...that's supposed to be "troll or sock" not troll of sock.

 

Sir, you do me an injustice. I think I'll report you for it. I do understand your point. You told me your interpretation. I subsequently researched scripture, several commentaries, language dictionaries, and other sources to determine the correctness of your interpretation.

It's not that I don't have any intention to understand your point; it's that I've prayerfully considered your point, and found it to be in error.

Now, I'm going to respond to you in the manner that you're responding to us: You're being misled in reading and understanding the scriptures. You need to listen to what I've told you, or you're going down a path that will lead you to hell.

And with that, i leave you to ponder the following verses: Proverbs 26:4-5.
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Okay, I gave it my best shot, and addressed each of his points. He refuses to entertain any thoughts other than his own. I shake the dust off my shoes, and go on to other, more productive conversations.

 

He didn't "break laws." He lived above them. That is why they are "super" natural--above or beyond nature. In the OT the prophet made the iron axehead to float. That goes against nature. It is super-natural or above the laws of nature. Christ could do those things which were above the laws of nature which the laws of nature could not explain away. There is no law of nature which allows a person to walk on water. That is why it is a miracle and one that shows the divine attribute of God--omnipotence--the power to do those things which man cannot. He is all powerful. He has power over nature as he demonstrated.

When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone. (John 6:15)
--Jesus had just fed 5,000 (and that was just counting the men). I suppose if women and children were counted it would be more like 20,000. He perceived (was omniscient) that they were going to come and make him king by force. Jesus would offer the Jews the kingdom, but the time was not right. So he departed to be alone (despite the crowd). That also shows his omnipotence.

And when even was now come, his disciples went down unto the sea, (John 6:16)
--Now it is getting dark. The disciples for the most part are fishermen. It is natural for them to go to the sea. Many of them have their own boats.

And entered into a ship, and went over the sea toward Capernaum. And it was now dark, and Jesus was not come to them. (John 6:17)
--The disciples were at Tiberias and wanted to go to Capernaum. Both are ports on the Sea of Galilee. They are both on the western edge of the Sea, Tiberias to the South, and Capernaum to the North. Only the account in Matthew (14:25-31) speaks of Peter walking on water on this occasion.
--Again, John notes that Jesus had not yet come to them.

And the sea arose by reason of a great wind that blew. (John 6:18)
There was a great wind which caused large waves. It was a storm at Sea.

So when they had rowed about five and twenty or thirty furlongs, they see Jesus walking on the sea, and drawing nigh unto the ship: and they were afraid. (John 6:19).
--One furlong is one-eighth of a mile. Thirty furlongs is almost four miles. That is how far they had rowed out into the sea--four miles (6.4 km.).
Then they see Jesus walking on the sea (the water) . He was coming close to the ship, and since they were four miles out they weren't able to recognize him right away and were therefore afraid.

But he saith unto them, It is I; be not afraid. (John 6:20)
--Immediately they recognize his voice.

Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went. (John 6:21)
--John adds this detail that the others don't. Not only was the sea calmed, but immediately the ship made it to land; to its destination. Jesus is master over his creation--over land, sea, time, space. He is omnipotent and proved it here, such as no other man would ever be able to do. He calmed the Sea. He walked on water. He transcended time by causing the ship to be at Capernaum the moment that he set foot in it. It was in the middle of the sea four miles outside of Tiberias. Look at a map. He exhibited his divine attributes here. They cannot be denied. Then go back to Matthew and read the account of Peter walking on water. His divine attributes cannot be denied him.