Jo 5:24-29 implies 2 ways to God's Grace: election & works

You are making a false assumption. You are assuming that John only saw one class of people in Revelation 20:4 when he saw two classes of saints:

1. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them.

2. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness

So your process of elimination is based upon a false restriction.

Second, you are ignoring the phrase:

6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years

Therefore, those in the second resurrection after the end of the thousand year reign or the Great White judgement are under the power of "THE SECOND DEATH"!

That alone destroys your whole argument as that alone proves there are no saved people among "the dead" raised up under the Great White Throne Judgement as all "the dead" raised up in that resurrection are under the power of "THE SECOND DEATH" and Revelation 20:14 explicitly defines the Second Death:

Rev. 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev. 20:6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years

 

HP: I would not at this time be in agreement with this comment. I see no second chance given for anyone to accept Christ after they leave this world, and no one will be found in Him in the last day apart from being 'in Christ' 'in this world' as I read Scripture. Today is the day of salvation, not tomorrow after one dies.

I hope I have not misunderstood your position LOC. If I have, set me straight.

 

The RCC agree with you. The intermediate they call "those in Purgatory."

 

Allah is also "merciful, gracious, beneficent, kind," and has a total of 99 attributes. It is a religion of good works. So is Hinduism. Do good.
Christianity says: For by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast. Your statements run contrary to the Word of God, but are right in line with Islam and Hinduism. Is that what you believe?

His gospel is not of works. What is his gospel? Read here for a better understanding:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
--That is the gospel; not good works.

Context is important. When does this event happen?
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
--It happens after the second coming of Christ.
Who are these people?

Matthew 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
--They are all the nations that have come through The Tribulation. They are about to enter the Millennial Kingdom. What is the requirement for them to enter into the Kingdom, as he divides the sheep from the goats?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
--Who are "my brethren?"
The "brethren" are the Jews, the nation of Israel. Christ, in his Second Coming came for the nation of Israel. All those that stood against Israel will be condemned. This is the criteria that he has set for those coming through the Tribulation to enter the Kingdom. They are not saved. They are only permitted to enter the Kingdom on that basis.

It got them temporary physical salvation, another chance to trust Christ. But in the end many of them, and many of their offspring did not. They, under perfect conditions, still rejected Him.

Revelation 20:7-9 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
--At the end of the Kingdom, the thousand years, these and their offspring are so numerous that in number they are as the sand of the sea. Those are the number that did not trust Christ in a perfect world where Christ reigned as King. They still did not trust Christ, but rose up and rebelled against him.

God never gave them salvation according to their works. They were on earth, coming through the Tribulation, entering into the Kingdom, and still rejected Christ, and in the end were cast into the Lake of Fire. Only faith in the blood of Christ could have saved them.

Only if one appropriates that sacrifice unto himself.

Right--two resurrections: one for the just, and one for the unjust.

God can never be accused of partiality no matter what. How can a puny finite mind comprehend the infinite God. It cannot.

No one, not sheep, or anyone else is saved through works.
Your philosophy is not according to God's Word. It is more in line with Hinduism and other religions of the world. Why? It is a religion based on works.

 

I believe these are both really, the saved Jews and Gentiles who lived through the Tribulation to see Christ's return. I believe they were either born-again during the tribulation or at His coming and these are the "brethren" through regeneration. Verse 46 indicates that they have received everlasting life.

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal".

 

It is a difficult passage with much controversy.
Verse 46 simply says that the "righteous" will have eternal life. But it doesn't make a dogmatic statement that all who enter are "righteous." One must still trust Christ to become "righteous." When Christ comes he comes for Israel. "All Israel shall be saved." They shall turn to him as a nation. Then the Kingdom will begin. Also at that time will this judgment take place. Not everyone in the Tribulation will be killed off. There will be a great many that will live through the Tribulation that will still be unsaved. What will their status be? Since I believe "my brethren" are the Jews, which had just turned to Christ, I believe that this great remnant here are those who made it through the Tribulation. The Lord shall judge them according to their relation to Israel.

But that is my view. It is not set in stone.

 

One thing is for certain, your broader point that no one shall be saved by works is better than written in stone, it is God's sure Word!

 

I did not comment when you first stated you agree with LOC but it seems obvious now that you, like LOC, are not considering context. Him the Bible and you what he is selling here. He ha jerked the passage in John out of it´s context and is selling a heresy here because he gives everybody in Hell and everyboddy in the Abyss a second chance. God does not do that and if I were the Mod here, he would already be down the road for the heresy. In that respect, he is lucky. In the other respect he is bound for eternity in Hell because of his teaching that will lead others into hell and the Abyss.

Please, please, read his OP!

 

Once more, your much speaking is not of God, it is of the deceiver! I´ll do you the honor of dealing with the basis only because you have not glorified God in your teaching of Satanic lies, itś heresy!

This verse, like all of your ¨proof texting is jerked out of it´s context to try to fool the elect. The context is concerning one that has slept with his father´s wife and the Church, there, has not roken fellowship with him in a godly attempt to wake him, and her, to realize their sin to repent and avoid Hell and the Fiery Abhyss.

Just as many good teachers here have shown you, including myself, the people in Hell are there to await the final ressurrection and the Great White Throne Judgement, where they will be judged for their deeds and cast into the Abyss with Satan.

 

This is nothing but heresy. All that stand before Christ at the Great Throne Judgment are cast into the Lake of Fire are cast into the Lake of Fire. You have no way to prove otherwise, except of a terrible wresting of Scripture, which Christians can hardly imagine.

 

And nobody here has said it is not! Your problem is still the lack of context in your heretical attempts to misapply scripture. Your god is Satan and you do not even realize it. If I follow your use of the scriptures i can prove that God hates women by going into the Old Testament and beginning with the scriture where the man sends his lady out to be raped and the next morning cuts her into twelve pieces.

Scripture has a salvation message and it is a beautiful message when we keep it in context. What you are doing is ugly and deceptive.

 

Please list the "other books" since you have such a vast knowledge on this subject. They are judged according whether or not their names are written in the Book of Life. That is very obvious from verse 15:

(Rev 20:15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
--That is the only standard by which a person at the Great White Throne Judgment will be judged--whether or not their name is found in the Book of Life. If not, they will be case into the lake of fire.

This only refers to degree of punishment.

Only the saved will be written in the book of life. This is a stern warning.

All the saved are in the book of life; all the unsaved are not in the book of life. This is known to God from the foundation of the world. Salvation is not of works, cannot be, never was and never will be. See Eph.2:8,9. God does not change his plan of salvation. Man cannot be saved by works.

You do have a problem, as you don't know what the other books are.

Here is what we do know:

Philippians 4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.
--Paul knew that their names were written in the book of life. On what basis. They had trusted Christ by faith.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
--All Christians are over-comers. See 1John 5:4. This is reassurance that all the names of the saved here at this church will be in the book of life.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
--This is definitely speaking of the unsaved, those that follow the beast. Their names are not written in the book of life.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
--Again, speaking of the unsaved who follow the beast. It is very clear here. Their names are not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
--This is the Great White Throne Judgment. The book of life is the most important book here as we see in verse 15.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
--Their names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, as it says in 17:8. There is no chance for these unsaved individuals. They are cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet are (vs.10), and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever (vs.10).

Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
--No one will ever enter into the New Jerusalem, that Heavenly City, unless their names are written in the book of life. The unsaved are described here. No unsaved person can ever enter.