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Job 38:7

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Precepts, Jan 6, 2004.

  1. Precepts

    Precepts New Member

    Dec 27, 2003
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    In another "discussion" this verse was brought to my attention as defining the "sons of God" to be angels.

    I can see when the term is defined as "messengers", it justifies the application to be angels.

    Also I have read in further study, Thank You Daniel David for inciting me to do so,that these "sons of God" are "Boanerges", the title given to James and John/ the Sons of Thunder, not saying these "sons of God" were James and John of the New Testament.

    I apologize to Daniel David and Helen both for my jesting, but please when I do, don't take it so seriously.

    Also I've noticed how those who hold to these being angels to indicate that the same were angels in Gen 6:2, that the idea is the time frame of this action in Job 38:7 is during or prior to Creation, but what I have found is the Creation is already consumated, if that is the correct word.

    Also, not to drag a dead horse, II Peter 2:4-9, if we look at this from the grammatical view, these are chronological in order, each separated by the semi-colon to thus indicate, each instance having been ended BEFORE the following passage.

    IOW, the angels "cast down" were in chains of darkness and not allowed to roam the earth in physical form before ,during, or after the Flood, but that does not go to say their spiritual influences upon men are denied.

    Now I am not "super-spiritual" nor am I a "know-it-all", but I felt like this would bring up a "rational" discussion, and I promise to leave jesting aside, O.K.?
  2. Helen

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    Aug 29, 2001
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    QP thanks,

    I certainly don't mind jesting (I had better not, having raised six kids!), but there are two things to remember: your posts were not clear as to their intent and did come across as very serious and insulting (using those little smiley faces does help, and even to say "please know I am teasing" or something like that at the end helps...) and, secondly, there are hundreds of people who read this material, many of whom have English as a second language, and we must be very careful the way we treat one another, for their sake and for the sake of Christ.

    Regarding the theme of your post, I don't have the time to get into it right now, but I just want to say that of course angels can be heavenly beings, but they can also be people who bring the message of God, or forces of nature, or an old donkey....

    We just have to be careful with what we don't know and what we presume.

    I'll try to remember to check back on this thread later. We will be out of town today.

  3. Charles Meadows

    Charles Meadows New Member

    Dec 4, 2003
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    I think the word here would be "mal-akh". This can refer to angels or any heavenly beings as well as a messenger. It can also be used at times to indicate the presence of God. In Malachi Yahweh is malakh ha-brit, the "messenger of the covenant".