Featured Job an example of great suffering:

My mother did not believe in the manifestation of the Holy Spirit was for today! But we are getting off the OP!

 

And there it is! The gospel that says if you don't have enough faith, you won't be healed.

Tell that to the lame man.


Acts 3
3 Now Peter and John were going up to the temple at the ninth hour, the hour of prayer. 2 And a man who had been lame from his mother’s womb was being carried along, whom they used to set down every day at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, in order to beg alms of those who were entering the temple. 3 When he saw Peter and John about to go into the temple, he began asking to receive alms. 4 But Peter, along with John, fixed his gaze on him and said, “Look at us!” 5 And he began to give them his attention, expecting to receive something from them. 6 But Peter said, “I do not possess silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you: In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene—walk!” 7 And seizing him by the right hand, he raised him up; and immediately his feet and his ankles were strengthened. 8 With a leap he stood upright and began to walk; and he entered the temple with them, walking and leaping and praising God.


Where was his faith to be healed? Peter saw his need and met it. If faith healers of today were real, that is exactly what they would do.

 

He had faith or he would have never stood up!

 

THe man stood up! IF he did not have faith...he would not have stood up!

 

Again! I have never said we will not suffer persecution!

 

The point is that a real gift to heal always would heal....

And the man heale din Acts stood up, that was the result of his healing, and his faith had no part in the healing, as he was expected money!

 

Really? Peter said "Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none" The man knew he had NO MONEY!

 

Do you read the Bible?????

Acts 3:7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ancle bones received strength.


Peter LIFTED HIM UP!!!!

The man wanted money. He did NOT expect to be healed!

 

Peter told him that he had no money before he was lifted up! He allowed Peter to lift him!

 

Do you?
Acts 3:16: "By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus' name and the faith that comes through him that has given this complete healing to him, as you can all see."

 

the man had NO faith in jesus, so that was the power of jesus physically healing Him!

 

Acts 3:16: "By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus' name and the faith that comes through him that has given this complete healing to him, as you can all see."
So are you saying Jesus had faith in himself? Or did the man that was healed have faith to be made strong!

 

FOLKS -- in the name of decency, let's leave relatives out of this, what do you say?

Yes, our God is a covenant God; but this thought that Job was "outside of the covenant" doesn't make any sense. For example, the covenant was always through blood; and Abel's sacrifice, well before Job, was perfectly acceptable in God's eyes.

If we think Job pre-dates Noah, then Job falls under the same conditions that Abel and the other descendents of Adam fell under -- which included blood sacrifices. If we think that Job came after Noah, then we have to consider that Noah continued the blood sacrifices, and therefore Job was simply following what had been proscribed since well before his birth--falling under the same conditions that Abel and the other descendents of Adam fell under.

Look, I'll readily admit I'm no theologian; and I'll happily allow someone with more schooling educate me. But I don't understand how you're saying Job was outside of the covenant that had existed since Adam.

Further, you didn't answer my question about a "warped conception of who God is". Would you please provide further clarification of what you're saying there?

 

THe man himself had faith too! He stood up!
So you are saying that Jesus only heals when SOMEONE has faith?