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John 10:15 and the Atonement

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Southern, Nov 4, 2004.

  1. Wes Outwest

    Wes Outwest New Member

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    My actual statement,
    That is a contradiction. There is no way that you thought about that before you wrote it. AT least, it seems that way. Why would you say something so incoherent? It may be a sin because people don't die because of sin?</font>[/QUOTE]Twist.
    Clearly, DISOBEDIENCE OF GOD IS THE SIN, unbelief is the result of disobedience!

    Driving your car too fast for conditions is the sin, LEAVING THE ROAD AND IMPACTING THE TREE IS THE CONSEQUENCE! The driver did not die for leaving the road, he died for driving too fast for conditionn, which is disobedience of the law!

    God's command is that we obey HIM! When we disobey (the sin), there are consequences (results)! Many are fatal, but the consequences are not the sin, disobedience is the sin. Each of those infractions you posted is the result of disobedience of God, which is the sin that manifests itself in various forms that have other names. All of them are an indication of NOT HAVING FAITH IN GOD! For if you have faith in God you will not do those acts that are covered BY Jesus' ATONEMENT! The Penalty for doing those things, even disobedience, has been paid in full. Not having faith in God is the only reason for the second death, the lake of fire! All creatures that lack faith in God are judged as EVIL, and are cast into the lack of fire, beginning with Satan himself!
     
  2. Wes Outwest

    Wes Outwest New Member

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    By the way, there is no scripture that covers cars impacting trees!
     
  3. GeneMBridges

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    Well, where that is mentioned in Greek, the word is "apeitheia" for BOTH "disobedience" and "unbelief." If disobedience is a sin, then unbelief is also a sin, because, in Greek, THEY ARE THE SAME WORD.

    According your logic, then the sin of adultery is also the sin of disobedience, so there is no such thing as the sin of adultery.

    Your position is unbiblical, indefensible, and illogical.
     
  4. Wes Outwest

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    Isn't adultry the result of disobeying God's command to not do it? If one obeys God, one does not end up guilty of adultry!
     
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