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John 6:47

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  1. Craigbythesea

    Craigbythesea Active Member

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    John 6:47 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.” NASB, 1995

    John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. KJV, 1769?

    John 6:47 Verely, Verely I say vnto you, Hee that beleeueth on me, hath euerlasting lfie. KJV, 1611

    The Greek word that is translated in this verse as “believes” is a present active participle in the nominative case, and is masculine in gender and singular in number.

    Just exactly what does this verse tell us, and what does it not tell us?
     
  2. TWade

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    Why make it difficult? I could ask my 10 year old and she could tell you exaclty what it means.
     
  3. Pastor Larry

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    It says that the one who believes has eternal life. In the context, the belief is clearly belief on Jesus. Is that difficult?? What exactly is the question?
     
  4. Charles Meadows

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    I'm not sure I get the gist of this one. It seems that the bible has very well rendered the best English equivalent.

    Ho pisteuon

    This same construction is also, I think, used by Paul and Peter too to convey the same thing. It's very typical of Johnannine Greek as well.
     
  5. Ed Edwards

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    S.Iohn VI:47 (KJV1611):

    Verely, verely I say vnto you,
    Hee that beleeueth on me, hath euerlasting
    life.


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  6. Grasshopper

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    Does it perhaps say those who don't believe do not have everlasing life? Only through Christ is there immortality?
     
  7. Craigbythesea

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    Yes, this construction is typical of Johnannine Greek. John uses the identical present active participle in John 3:16 rather than an aorist verb. Is this just a coincidence, or is it theologically important?

    Also, what is John’s concept of “believing?”

    And what precisely does one need to believe in order to have everlasting life?

    Compare James 2:19 “You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.”
     
  8. Ed Edwards

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    Does it perhaps say those who don't believe do not have everlasing life? Only through Christ is there immortality? </font>[/QUOTE]Amen, Brother Grasshopper -- Preach it! [​IMG]
     
  9. Pastor Larry

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    Probably a coincidence.

    The NT concept of belief involves acceptance of the both the person and work of Christ. It is a submission to him, a commitment of the person to Christ. It is to step out totally on him. It is not this modern idea of mental assent.
     
  10. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Brother Pastor Larry -- Preach it! [​IMG]
     
  11. Craigbythesea

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    Upon what scriptures do you base these beliefs (or do you base them upon something other that the Bible)?
     
  12. Pastor Larry

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    Based on what the word means, based on its connection with obedience (cf John 3:36; Heb 3; etc.), based on Christ's words about following him completely or losing your soul (Matt 16); based on the general overall teaching of the doctrine of salvation. There are too many to list here.
     
  13. Craigbythesea

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    How much submission, how much of a commitment is necessary for salvation?
     
  14. Daniel David

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    Enough to die for. What do you think he meant by taking up your cross? The cross wasn't a burden you know; it was how people die.
     
  15. Craigbythesea

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    I do not understand this reply. What are you trying to say here?
     
  16. Daniel David

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    Your commitment must mean absolute surrender.
     
  17. Craigbythesea

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    I have never met a person who was absolutely surrendered to Jesus. Am I to understand that I have never met a saved person?
     
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    John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

    The Lord Jesus Christ spoke those words. The Greek words that underlie this verse were given by inspiration of God and have been preserved intact by God. Those exact Greek words have been properly translated into the English language.

    Who has everlasting life according to this verse? He that believes. He that believes what? "He that believeth ON ME", says the Lord. What does it mean to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ? Let the Bible define the Bible. Comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    The Greek phrase "He that believeth" (pisteuo, pist-yoo'-o) is also translated "commit to one's trust" (Luke 16:11; John 2:24; Romans 3:2; 1 Corinthians 9:17; Galatians 2:7; 1 Thessalonians 2:4; 1 Timothy 1:11; Titus 1:3). It means to commit yourself to the Lord, fully trusting Him for salvation.

    In the immediate context, verse 35 teaches coming to Christ. Verse 69 teaches to be sure of Christ.

    What does it mean to believe "on me" as the Lord said in John 6:47? It means to be fully persuaded about everthing the Bible says of the Lord Jesus Christ. Those two words, "on me" (eis eme), were given by inspiration of God, and leaves the reader of the Scripture no doubt about what to believe. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

    Do you know the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Savior? Have you just been playing church all these years? It's easy to fool church people, or your seminary professors, but remember, the eyes of the Lord are in every place. Was there ever a time in your life when you knew you were a lost sinner heading to hell because of your sins against a holy God? Repent today, fully trust in the Lord Jesus Christ in such a way that you turn away from sin and idols and false religion to receive Jesus Christ as your only Lord and Savior. Jesus Christ shed His blood and died on the Cross for the life of the world. Then He rose from the dead. Come to Christ and be sure of Him. "He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."

    1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
     
  19. Craigbythesea

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    If you are wrong about this, and the data very strongly suggests that you are, and that those two words were written by a scribe copying the text, you may have just committed the unforgivable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. :eek:

    Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
     
  20. Charles Meadows

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    I don't think that constitutes the unforgivable sin!

    By the way, I'm not sure I understand the question regarding the tense. I think "believe" in Ja 2:19 is also present indicative.
     
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