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John Hagee and Israel

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Daniel David, Dec 14, 2004.

  1. Daniel David

    Daniel David New Member

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    I posted this on another thread:

    Here is some info on Hagee and his questionable theology:

    Trying to convert Jews is a “waste of time,” he [Hagee] said. . . .

    Everyone else, whether Buddhist or Baha’i, needs to believe in Jesus, he says. But not Jews. Jews already have a covenant with God that has never been replaced with Christianity, he says.

    “The Jewish people have a relationship to God through the law of God as given through Moses,” Hagee said. “I believe that every Gentile person can only come to God through the cross of Christ. I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption.

    “The law of Moses is sufficient enough to bring a person into the knowledge of God until God gives him a greater revelation. And God has not,” said Hagee . . .9

    “There are right now Jewish people on this earth who have a powerful and special relationship with God,” declares Hagee in one of his books. “They have been chosen by the ‘election of grace’ in which God does what he does without asking man to approve or understand it. Let us put an end to the Christian chatter that “all the Jews are lost” and can’t be in the will of God until they convert to Christianity! . . . there are a certain number of Jews in relationship with God right now through divine election.” 10

    Hagee also affirms: “If God blinded the Jewish people to the identity of Jesus as Messiah, how could He send them to hell for not seeing what he had forbidden them to see?”11 He continues, “All people will gain entrance into heaven through Christ. The question is one of timing.” 12

    ***edited by blackbird to remove questionable remark***

    [ December 14, 2004, 05:51 AM: Message edited by: blackbird ]
     
  2. Watchman

    Watchman New Member

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    Sad but true Daniel David.
    **edit by Blackbird** All of this is absolutely true. He clearly preaches another gospel. Will be glad to give you source material written by him if you like.
    He said it was Jesus Who adamantly refused to be the Jews Messiah, in direct conflict with what He said:
    "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, how I would have longed to gathered thee as a hen draws her chicks under her wings, but ye would not!"

    [ December 14, 2004, 05:52 AM: Message edited by: blackbird ]
     
  3. blackbird

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    What did Jesus tell Nicodemus??

    John 3:3, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God."

    The word "again" in Greek reads "Anothen"---and means, "from above"

    Jesus was telling Nicodemus---a Jew---that a "new birth" from above had to take place in order to be received into the Kingdom!! Before a Jew can be received into the Kingdom---he must receive the Kingdom inside of him!! There must be a new birth in which Jews are not exempted!!

    Hagee is about as wrong on this as anybody will ever be!!
     
  4. LadyEagle

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    Why does DD refuse to give a source for his "information?" Please share it with us.

    When quoting extensive text without giving a source, it is called plagiarism. Unacceptable.
     
  5. go2church

    go2church Active Member
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    Hagee for years has had to try and defend himself against charges of having a dualistic understanding concerning salvation for Jews and Gentiles. Not really new information. Source information is easily found, but it would be nice to see which of the numerous potential sources DD actually used.
     
  6. blackbird

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    Daniel David---please share your source of information concerning Hagee! I believe it will help "clear the air" once and for all here at the BB!
     
  7. Plain Old Bill

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    I guess if this is true is where would hagee get such an idea from?
     
  8. Marcia

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    Here are two good solid ministries with info on Hagee:

    The above site also talks about Hagee's Word Faith leanings - positive confession, prosperity gospel, etc.

    Also, this:
    Here is where I think DD possibly got his quotes:
    From
    http://www.equip.org/free/DH005.htm
     
  9. gb93433

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    Hagee is a dispensationalist. What else would you expect from a person who hold to that theology?
     
  10. Marcia

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    I think this is a very unfair and illogical comment, gb. There are many dispensationalists who do not believe this. In fact, most don't, I would say.
     
  11. go2church

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    They do they just don't know it yet ;)
     
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    Re dispensationalist slam. IN FACT, I KNOW OF NO OTHER DISPENSATIONALIST TO HOLD THIS VIEW!

    The logic of GB93433 is like the logic of this statement:

    I know of one pastor who was guilty of adultery, therefore all pastors are to be held in HIGH disregard!

    In fact, it was Israel that was guilty of adultery, but as the book of Hosea demonstrates, she will one day be restored. I accuse neither CTs not Dispies of spiritual adultery, blasphemy, ignorance, stupidity, apostacy, etc. When one has to resort to "name-calling" it demonstrates possible ignorance of the issues, possible ineptitude at communicating the issues, or in some cases simple frustration at the fact that others do not accept his explanation of the issues.

    GB93433, I will graciously place you in the final category of my little list.

    The fallacious argument you used is called non-sequitor.

    Some of you guys need to get D.A. Carsons book, "Exegetical Fallacies". Not saying who, just some. OH, I read it again every couple of years just to attempt to stay sharp. A dull knife may cut, but it sure makes a mess in the process!
     
  14. blackbird

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    Hagee is just flat out wrong on his views of salvation for the Jews! Does anyone here see the same thing I see about his views???
     
  15. go2church

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    RJ,
    You too to be in the last of your catagories, frustrated.
     
  16. LadyEagle

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    Why isn't it a credible site? They research their stuff.

    Besides, they are not the only ones who have written about Hagee's teachings. I heard from several people a few years ago that Hagee teaches the Jews do not need the gospel to be saved.
     
  18. LadyEagle

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    They state they are an "online ministry of Christian Research Institute." If someone is a crook, why would their "research" be credible?

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/008/6.19.html
     
  19. Marcia

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    I am aware of this situation, and it is sad that Hannagraaf's actions have tainted CRI.

    Also, note the date of what you posted -- the situation, as far as I know, has been rectified.

    Beyond all this, other sources know about Hagee's remarks and even Hannagraaf's situation does not mean that the info on Hagee is wrong. As I said earlier, I have heard from several people about Hagee's teachings on Israel.
     
  20. LadyEagle

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    But, Marcia, my position on all these matters is this:

    Here say is not admissible evidence in a court of law. If we are to start assassinating characters and accuse someone of heresy, it should be based on evidence that is above reproach and not second hand opinion pieces. There are web sites out there that call Baptists heretics.

    Wouldn't you want a Christian to give you the benefit of the doubt if accusations are all over the Internet about you, which may or may not be true?
     
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