You made the claim that a woman is to be under the authority of men besides her husband. So it is your job to provide sciptural support for that. The only times the scripture speaks of headship over a woman is in regards to her husband.
When did I say anyone (woman or man) can do this? I did not.
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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Paladin, Sep 19, 2005.
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I posted this in response to what you said
This sounds like authority:
Heb 13:7Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God
John said: But the scriptural fact is that a man only has spiritual authority of his wife, and of no other woman. If he is single, he has spiritual authority over no one. -
You made the claim that a woman is to be under the authority of men besides her husband. So it is your job to provide sciptural support for that. The only times the scripture speaks of headship over a woman is in regards to her husband.
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This selection is the sole place in scripture that can be interpreted to exclude women from the role of women as pastoring (the famed "husband of one wife" dissertation).
It doesn't address the spiritual authority of men and women in general. Spiritual authority is expressly laid out in being the hudband over the wife, not men in general being over women in general. A pastor does not have spiritual over a woman who is not his wife.
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http://www.equip.org/free/DM472.htm
http://www.myfortress.org/JoyceMeyer.html
Joyce Meyers and her ministry are very questionable, and phoney. She has no understanding of scripture. -
This selection is the sole place in scripture that can be interpreted to exclude women from the role of women as pastoring (the famed "husband of one wife" dissertation).
It doesn't address the spiritual authority of men and women in general. Spiritual authority is expressly laid out in being the hudband over the wife, not men in general being over women in general. A pastor does not have spiritual over a woman who is not his wife.
I see no other meaning besides over everyone, my wife included. She is to be as much under my pastors authority scripturally, as she is to be under my authority maritally. It makes no sense for me to be under my pastor's authority, and that person, if women were allowed, to be my wife. -
She totally violates scriptures and demonstrates she has no real understanding of it. -
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based on what donnA posted it really wouldn't matter if she were a woman OR a man, would it?
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I fear that many who follow her and believe in her have no real understanding of scripture, nor apparently do they care to becasue they continue to defend her even when shown whats wrong with ehr. And whats wrong with her is no small matter. It's completely anti christian. -
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προΐ́στημι
proistēmi
pro-is'-tay-mee
From G4253 and G2476; to stand before, that is, (in rank) to preside, or (by implication) to practise: - maintain, be over, rule. -
Strong's doesn't define whole context. You know that.
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This sounds like authority:
Heb 13:7Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God -
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The issue of Joyce Meyer teaching as a woman is very secondary to her word faith teachings, which should be the primary concern. She appears with the WF teachers at conferences and has endorsed them.
http://wfial.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=artWordFaith.article_2
http://www.pfo.org/preacher.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Bob_Hunter/meyer.html
http://www.afcministry.com/Joyce_Meyers.htm
I have heard her several times. I also have one of her books which mainly has a lot of psychology in it; she twists scripture to support her ideas on this psychology just as she twists scripture to support her WF views. -
Joyce Meyer is the female version of Joel Osteen. Both can bring some good motivational talks....but do not preach truth from God's Word.
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