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Judge and Jury?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by dfwmia, Oct 29, 2009.

  1. Johnv

    Johnv New Member

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    Good point, Peggy. Trying to right a wrong by committing another wrong isn't prudent. From a practical standpoint, if a person divorced sinfully, and married another as a result of sinning, the best course of action is to go to your ex spouse and ask for forgiveness. Now, in my situation, my ex wife left me for another man. I eventually forgave her in my heart. TO this day, she hasn't asked for forgiveness from me, but from my POV, she doesn't need to; I've long since given it. She is, IMO free to marry another if she chooses. As long as it isn't me, I'm good :)
     
  2. Thinkingstuff

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    But a culture of permisiveness is ok? The example you quoted its not God or Christians that caused the problem but the sinner. And sin always affects more than one person. That why scriptures tell us not to marry a person who is divorced under these circumstances.
    Interesting to note the next verse is about keeping your Oath. We have all sorts of ways not to keep our Oaths that contract law has become extremely complicated. I think this thing is on par with that.
     
  3. Thinkingstuff

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    Comparing your situation to the scriptures of Jesus discourse I would find you inocent of this sin. However, your ex wife is not. And since you lawfully remarried its a good thing not to bind her to yourself.
     
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  4. Johnv

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    Wanna know the sad part? My ex wife eventually married her lover, and they ended up divorcing. Statistically, that's a common story. Yet people usually ignore statistics.
     
  5. Peggy

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    I was responding to the silly idea to divorce one's current wife to try to remarry one's former spouse.

    Isn't there enough hurt and heartache to go around as it is?

    Johnny is correct - forgiveness is what Christ asks from us in that situation, whether or not the one who has wronged us has asked for it.

    The original post which questioned where divorce is the "unforgiveable sin" is right on. If you are born-again you have put the past behind you and should be judged by your current walk with God, not your sins of the past.

    This is not to condone divorce, but to be realistic about the fact that dealing with divorce is sadly a reality of life to many people in the church.
     
  6. Aaron

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    Be careful here. Your issue isn't with what I said, but with what Christ said.

    To put one's wife away and "marry" another is adultery. It isn't marriage. To repent of adultery, one must leave the adulterous situation.
     
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    If one is legally married to a second spouse, there is no point in divorcing that spouse to remarry the first one again. One can repent of the divorce and stay married to the second spouse without "living in sin."
     
  8. Aaron

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    Scripture?

    I'm not talking about the ordinances of men.
     
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    That's the stupidest interpretation of Christ's teaching I have ever seen... To say divorce is a sin.. then to say that Christ is telling someone to divorce their second wife is to say that Christ is telling someone to sin.... Aaron.. PLEASE educate yourself.
     
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    I know that. I have to leave for a while, but later on when I have time, I'll look this up. I'm positive there are verses about this, I just have to find them and get back to you.
     
  11. Aaron

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    The facts of what Christ said are plain (and stubborn, and will not bow to your carnal thinking.)

    He that puts away his wife and "marries" another commits adultery. He that "marries" her that is divorced commits adultery.

    At what point does it stop being adultery?
     
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    "except in the case of fornication" In such cases a man can put his wife away.
     
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    Oh, Aaron kind of skipped over that part...
     
  14. sag38

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    Sort of puts a hitch in the theory doesn't it?
     
  15. Robert Snow

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    "When a man takes a wife and marries her, if then she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, and she departs out of his house, and if she goes and becomes another man's wife, and the latter man hates her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter man dies, who took her to be his wife, then her former husband, who sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after she has been defiled, for that is an abomination before the LORD. And you shall not bring sin upon the land that the LORD your God is giving you for an inheritance. Deut. 24:1-4 ESV
     
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    Thank you, that was the exact scripture I was looking for!
     
  17. Aaron

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    I didn't skip anything. It's understood that there are Scriptural exceptions. We're not talking about those.
     
  18. Aaron

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    You're kidding, right?

    They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. Matt. 19:7-9

    So, back to my question. When does it stop being adultery?
     
  19. Robert Snow

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    I never kid about Scripture.

    I did not even attempt to answer this question, I just quoted Scripture showing that in some instances to return to a first husband is wrong.

    Let me also add, in answering your question, When adultery is committed, it ends the marriage since even Jesus said that divorce in this instance is allowed. Once the marriage is ended, it no longer should be considered adultery.

    I don't expect you to agree, you seem to agree with very little anyone posts.

    One thing is that it does no one any good to concentrate on the past in trying to get some to constantly attempt to correct old mistakes. I believe we would be better served in trying to get a second, third, etc marriage to work in creating a stable home life rather than attempting to unscramble the egg.
     
  20. Thinkingstuff

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    So by this argument. Logically, or following the same train of thought for the premise, I can live with a woman without marrying her. Then when confronted with my sin I can ask for forgiveness and the lord will forgive me and I don't have to stop living with her because my sin is forgiven. I don't think that matches up.
     
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