Judgement Seat of Christ

In reference to 2 Cor 5:11
av1611jim said: "IF only rewards are given
out then WHY would Paul remind Christians of
the TERRROR of the Lord?

Paul is discussing the reasons he testifies to
the lost. The terror of God
is NOT brought to bear on Christians.
When/if you get to heaven you have no punishment.
You do get to heaven before the Millinnial Kingdom
of Jesus, the Christ, starts.
When you get raptured and get you new glorified body
and get you heavenly body then you have NO SIN.
Heaven can't tolerate sin. When you go to heaven
you will be perfect.

The problem with those who think they can be punished
after the rapture/resurrection is that they go
to heaven first (before to earth, if they are selected
to serve in the 1,000 year kingdom as a good reward for
good works.


Sorry, there are no wipping posts in heaven nor in
the 1,000 year kingdom of my Lord and Savior: Messiah Jesus.

When Jesus PAID IT ALL, He paid ALL of it! Amen.

 

This is not obvious.

In fact, your eschatology is a disassociated
set of Bible misunderstandings and
were your eschatology a bucket, it would
not hold water.

The Judgement seat of Christ is one
judgement; the Great White Throne judgemetn
anotehr. The Judgemetn seat of Christ
takes place in heaven when the tribulation
period judgemenmt is going on on the earth.
The Great White Throne judgment happens
after the Millennial Kingdom of Jesus,
the Christ, a physical kingdom of a physical
Jesus on a physical earth. Of course,
a-mills (those who belive not in a physical
1,000 year reign of Jesus on a physical
throne of David) cannot understand this.
Thus there errors made upstreadm in the
logic show the futility of their viewpoint.
So they are confused about the Millennial
Kingdom of Jesus and the Judgements.
Thus you will find no a-mill here who will
write an evangelistic message for our
lovely Baptist Board.

Go back on page two and see my pretribulation
rapture, premillinnial Second Coming of Jesus
oriented evangelistic message.

 

Ed,

You are a great error saying.

Oh yes, Bible tells us, that we must always be fear of the Lord all the times. - Phil. 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT your own salvation with FEAR AND TREMBLING." Paul tells us, we must always be fear of the Lord all the times, because we all shall face the judgement seat of Christ, Lord is the terror, - conext of 2 Cor. 5:10-11. NOTICE- the context of Phil 2:12 speaks of the judgement seat of Christ/great white throne starts with Phil. 2:9-11 tells us, Christ is already exalteth sit on the right hand of God the Father. EVERYONE in heaven, earth, and under, ALLLLLLL shall confess that Jesus Christ is the Lord shall be in THAT DAY at the judgment day. Phil. 2:10-11 refer to Romans 14:10-12.

YES, every Christians include me are fear of the Lord, He have power to cast us into hell both body and soul - Matt. 10:28-"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather FEAR HIM which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

YES, EVERY Christians and unbelievers all shall be fear with trembling face Christ sits on the white throne at the Judgement day. No question about it.

Tomorrow, I will discuss more about the judgment seat of Christ.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

 

Dr. Griffin,

WHO is 'unfaithful servant' of Matt 25:30????

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

 

Dr. Griffin, you confident that you will not be cast into the outer darkeness, IF you endure and be faithful all the way to the end. You will be all right, no worry.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

 

Let me ask a question, is the Devil bound during the milennial reign? If so, who are the 'nations' he will deceive after being loosed?

Bro. Dallas

 

Frogman,

on the individuals either Gentile or Jew of the nations.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

 

Dr. Griffin,

Is "Well done, thou good and faithful servant" of Matt 25:21 apply to Christian??

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

 

Is "Well done, thou good and faithful servant" of Matt 25:21 apply to Christian??

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen! </font>[/QUOTE]Your problem is that you
are confusing servants of God
with children of God.
God will NOT toss his Children into outer darkness.
God will bless those who serve him,
even if they aren't children like you and
i are.

When two scriptures seem to conflict,
go with the inerpertation that is most
common. One of the most common teachings
of the Bible is the loving kindness and
mercy of God. This cannot be conflicted
by this parable. God is NOT going to
throw any of His children into outer
darkness. So find some other meaning
of the servant who is kicked into outer
darkness.

 

D M Panton was a revered Baptist long before you were a gleam in your Daddy's eye! This is a DEEE-bate forum. Objective arguments are nice every once in a while!

Love lacy

 

Paul is discussing the JSOC and the reason he labors. You can't twist out from under verse 9. The reason we (eternally secure Christians) labor is to be accepted of him. WHEN? v. 10 at the JSOC!

Just curious. What verse teaches specifically that a Christian goes to heaven at death? And even if it were scriptural, what does it matter where you wait for your reward? (Heaven, the grave, Abraham's bosom, somewhere else?) How does it in any way affect what happens at the Judgment?

Again prove that chastisement ends at death. That death suddenly equalizes all the obedient and disobedient servants. It aint there brother. It is a manmade Baptist fantasy.

I can't see what time spent after death awaiting the glorification of the body and the JSOC in any way affects what millenial reward/Kingdom reward a believer will receive. That argument makes no sense and is very shakey scripturally.

Why did he not "Pay" for the fornicating brother at Corinth to not get dis-fellowshipped? Why did he "pay" for the believers who failed to properly take the Lord's supper at corinth not to die? What in the world does eternal security have to do with the Father's chastening?

I believe he paid it all. Now I am a son and subject to house rules.

 

Lacy Evans: "Just curious. What verse teaches specifically that a Christian goes to heaven at death?"

Do you mean "verse" or would you be
satisfied with a essay combining and
explaining what you ask for?

BTW, I've been a Christian for 52 years
but this is my first exposure to the
"millennial exclusion" heresy. You will
excuse me for not having a couple
dozen essays to counter it

 

It seems that there are people born in natural bodies during the Kingdom. (see Isiah 65:20-21)I suppose that these will need their opportunity to chose God of their own free will since Christ rules with an iron rod (Rev 2:27) This makes sense to me anyway.

Lacy

 

Do you call everything you don't agree with a heresy? You debate like a child.

Lacy

Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

 

Dear Lacy,
I understand your belief, this is the way I have heard it taught, just wondering, if the milenium [sic] is truly 1000 yrs., then satan is bound at that time, then loosened afterward, it must be some nations other than any possible individuals of the elect who he will go out and deceive, at least that is my understanding.

I don't know about the free-willy thing though

But, I do agree with all else you said.

Bro. Dallas

 

Matthew 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Lacy

 

Bravo! Bravo Brother Lacy!
When confronted with the clear teaching of scripture, some yell heresy! Some yell Catholic! Yet none can refute the Scriptures that you, Bro. Bartholomew, and I have given them. Much less the other warnings in Scripture which we have NOT mentioned.
Gentlemen. Bro's Edwards and Griffon. Please give Scriptural refutations. After all, we, (all of us) claim to be baptists. And it is my understanding that baptists have historically been known as "The people of the Book". So if you can find one iota of scriptural support for your side then bring it on, please. We have answered you with scripture, why can't you? If not then why are you so resistent to Truth? As one of you said, "this is the first I heard..." Answer the scriptures we have given you. As Lacy said, you can't have vrs 10 without vrs 9 and 11 in 2 Cor. 5 (or something to imply the same thing.)
So what if its the first you heard it? I suppose there are millions of people who felt the same way when they heard that God loves them! And that He died for them! And that they can be in heaven forever with Him! And millions have been taught this truth for 2000 years. Once you are a child of God, as His children, He EXPECTS you to obey Him.
In charity,
Jim

 

Matthew 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Lacy </font>[/QUOTE]Intersting use of the
the scripture to lie.

What Jesus is saying there in Matthew 8:12
is that those who think they are saved
because they are Jews might be going
to hell. But some who are no Jews, by
contrast will be saved.

In other words, this scripture is
a proof text that your false doctrine
is indeed false.

Good try to act like you have the moral
high ground Jim. But as this scripture shown
by Lacy shows, any scripture you give
fits into proving you are wrong. So
yes say things like // We have answered you
with scripture, why can't you?//
The fact is that we have over one hundreed
thousand Bible verses that can be used
to demolish your heresy.

We traditional Baptists sing:

God is good, all the time
All the time, God is good

You neo-liberals sing:

God's gonna give me a new body
so i won't die when He whipps it.

Sorry, he Millinnial Kingdom is not about
wipping posts.