Just saw the film.....

Put up some scripture to prove my distortions, exaggerations, or whatever, otherwise your comments are of zero interest. to me. BTW, 20 or 30 threads is in fact, an exaggeration.

 

I blew the whistle guys.

Foul cuss words are inappropriate here IMHO>

 

This is exactly what I am talking about vaspers. We don't have sin because we don't question what would Jesus do? We have sin because we are depraved creatures with a sin nature and because of that we have the false doctrine, hypocrisy, etc.

Don't worry about Shagnappy, he is voicing his opinion and welcome to it. He has it wrong though, this stooge is a conservative Republican

I have never questioned the salvation of any person because of viewing this film.

I have said I do not believe this film is or will be or can be used of God because of the error found in it. It is not a presentation of the Gospel message.

Bro. Dallas

 

I resent a lot of garbage posted by these clowns. I care too little to start listing all the pretty hateful things that have been posted by a very small minority which are doing everything they can to make some folks feel bad and have even gone so far as to claim we are of the anti-christ spirit and questioned our salvation. Guess you better get to blowing that whistle.

[ March 13, 2004, 10:41 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]

 

I prefer to be called a "Talking Donkey", and in case you failed to notice SN, this is a forum, a place where people express all types of opinions.

Never questioned anyones salvation, nor did I start 30 threads. Both of these statements are the only exaggerations I have seen.

[objectionable quotations snipped]

[ March 13, 2004, 10:43 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]

 

Dear Helen,
I thought about sending you a pm, but I am going to say this right out in the open where it ought to be said.

Although I am often on the other side of the bar from you and your beliefs, you always present a balanced and predominantly scriptuaral perspective. Just wanted to say that, you know, it's not a sign or nothing, just making respectful notice where it is due.

God Bless
Bro. Dallas

 

Shagnappy,
search the scripture and see how satan operates. This does not mean that anyone supporting this movie is lost or doomed to hell. But it is certain that satan is not going to openly tell God's people what he is up to and then do it just to 'win' the lost who are his anyway until recognizing Christ as Lord and Savior (Truth regardless of your religious denomination or doctrinal slant).

It is the believer he has to blind to his efforts and not the one still dead in trespasses and sin.

I would also like to add that I have started only one thread related to the movie. One concerning the depiction of the Lord's Supper an honest and open inquiry.

I don't remember seeing you post in that one. If my posting on this topic is bothering the moderators or even the web master I will consign myself to refrain from making a comment.

In the end the living God will perform his eternal will and purpose of that I am confident.


Bro. Dallas

 

I have never called any debate opponent a "clown" or an "idiot" or any perjorative word, nor have I tried to make them feel wrong or stupid just because they express an opinion I disagree with.

In debate, you call an idea false, misleading, inaccurate, unfair, whatever.

But you don't call a fellow debater any name, cuz that is a diversion away from the content of the argument or topic.

No one is attacking other believers here.

We are simply debating the pros and cons of a Hellywood MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVIE.

Thas all folks.

scarlett O--wonderful post. Yes, someone pleez make a movie honoring the glorious Resurrection and Ascension and giving of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost! I keep saying this and you are one of the very few who express similar thought on it.

Thanks for the snipping Dr. Bob. Bless you for being a fair and balanced moderator, even though you probably cringe at some of my posts. (I do too! Ha!)

 

You no like a Fox News seen yor? We have a ways to make a you like Foxy News seen yor. You will like a Fox News and fair and balanced seen yor.

 

you know what is really funny?

I work at WKU's extended campus. Prior to the release of the film 'Passion' there were free tickets offered to students and employees of which I am in each category.

I never could make myself request these tickets, though I honestly considered getting one for my wife and myself.

I kept postponing it. The tickets were good for either Monday or Tuesday evening, the only evening I could go would have been Monday.

On Saturday some Christian friends called my wife and asked if we would keep their younger children on the following Monday evening. They have four kids, only the youngest is theirs (as man and wife). The other three are hers from a previous marriage. Why did they want us to babysit? They were going with their church group to see the film and they took their oldest child with them.

Wait a minute, did I say they were divorced, did I say they viewed the Passion with their church group? Yes, I did. Then they must know how Bro. Dallas feels about these topics, yes they do.

Brothers and sisters, I am not an insensitive troll. I am just speaking in accordance with what I believe. I do this on the BB, on email groups, and among christian and non-christian friends. Many people don't like that and accuse me of having no charity (read Greek). but it is because it is easier to shake off that conviction, when the witness is not speaking according to it.

Nothing, not even this Passion movie bothers me more than to hear a good sermon conclude with the words 'if I have offended you, I am sorry'.

it is better to say if I have offended you and what I have offended you with is not in the word of God then forgive me and pray for me. But what preacher would say that?

It is better in our world for sake of physical or material position to say the former. Where there is no conviction from the undershepherd how can we expect any conviction in the church, and where this is lacking how can we expect the lost to receive that conviction.

Very few of us align in agreement with the Primitive Baptist doctrine of immediate Spiritual Regeneration, but more and more our actions betray us.

We are suppose to be peculiar people.

Just my thoughts on why Bro. Dallas is Bro. Dallas and not Billy Graham, Benny Hinn, etc.

God Bless

 

Scarlett, thank you! I had not heard about that part and am glad for it. That is a more balanced picture and I'm glad it was done. We are fine; leaving for two weeks in Australia Monday and then back home to get the house on Multiple Listing as we have a house in Oregon now. So we're busy.

God bless you -- it's good to see your posts here again. I have long respected your viewpoints and the depth of your faith and Bible knowledge.

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Dr. Bob -- Barry and I are so sorry you are having such a bad day to receive such a horrid insult! We know you will feel better tomorrow after a good night's sleep....

 

I have a question for SN:

Mr Gibson used a few different mystical sources to fill in the "blanks" in his movie. Here are quotes from two of them who received their information by direct revelation according to them:

"Mary of Agreda "The exact number of blows dealt out to the Savior from head to foot was 5,115. "

" St Bridget of Sweden had wanted to know the number of blows Christ received during His Passion and He one day appeared to her and said, "I received 5,480 blows on My body. If you wish to honour them in some way, say 15 Our Fathers and 15 Hail Marys with the following prayers (which He taught her) for a whole year. When the year is up, you will have honoured each one of My wounds."

Because of the large number of wounds quoted above, although different by both mystics, is why it was necessary to beat the actor playing Jesus from the garden to the cross, although this is not scriptural.

The question that I have, is would this quandry be considered a distortion or an exaggeration? And also, is divination an accepted venue for God's truth?

Jeremiah 14
14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

1 Cor 14
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

[ March 13, 2004, 11:19 PM: Message edited by: Spirit and Truth ]

 

We need to understand something about the Lord Jesus Christ! We preach that He is 100% God--but we also preach that He is 100% man! Now, no one has come up with the simple thought---all of the "Blood Letting" that the movie depicted----in my personal opinion----Jesus as 100% man would not have survived---as 100% man---on average---He would have bled to death--being as to how the average male carries only about 9 pints of blood in the stream---besides---the token amount---5400 lashes----at what lash count would Jesus as 100% man fallen into a state of shock from the blount trauma seen in the movie??

I don't know---thats why I'm asking---the numbers aren't adding up---and I wish we could have honest testamony from Trauma/ER doctors as to their analysis of the unusual amount of bleeding---prior to the cross!

 

The question that I have, is would this quandry be considered a distortion or an exaggeration? And also, is divination an accepted venue for God's truth?

Yes.
Yes. If not, the lost world would stay at home and watch crossing over.

Bro. Dallas

 

For Blackbird, will you believe a medical doctor?

A Physician Testifies About the Crucifixion
by Dr. C. Truman Davis
http://www.konnections.com/Kcundick/crucifix.html

Facts on the Crucifixion
http://www.frugalsites.net/jesus/

Scarlett, I got the chance to go again tonight but this time with my husband. It's something we wanted to share. Thank you again for facing the persecution and sharing how Jesus touched you though this mere movie. Please don't let the nay sayers break your spirit!

I've said it before and I'll say it again... God spoke to us through little trees, through a giant fish, through a coin in a fishes mouth, through a still small voice, through angels, through dreams and even a talking ass and He can speak to us through a movie made by a mere man with good intentions too!

Diane

 

Paul, who was hated by the Pharisees as a traitor, received 39 stripes on five different and separate occasions according to the scriptures, as was the halacha [ law ] of the Jews according to the Torah. Pilate found no fault with Jesus on two or three occasions according to scripture. Why should we believe that He got any more than thirty nine? Historically, the Romans administered the stripes on the back side of the body. In the movie they flipped Him over and beat His front side as well, in accordance with the mystical writings of Anne Emmerich's account. The blood loss from 39 stripes was enough to die before the victim reached the cross, which was approximately 1/3 of a mile walk uphill.

 

Diane:

This is a Latter day saints mormon website:

http://www.konnections.com/Kcundick/crucifix.html

 

You can find that doctor's article on other sites too. That one came up on a quick search.