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Just Something I Wrote

Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by gekko, May 23, 2006.

  1. gekko

    gekko New Member

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    yeah - i know. although i dont wish to put my guitar in the closet... it may scratch it! lol. like its not all scratched up already...

    i'll tell you one reason why the secular reason doesn't like P&W music - no actually two reasons. one = G-C-D. nuff said.

    two - because God is involved. secular wants God out. that's why they call it secular music.

    now a beat on a drum. there's not sections for whether its secular or non-secular. can't tell if an E note is secular or non-secular.

    can't tell if the word "the" is secular or non-secular.

    everyone uses it. when i speak - i tend to speak using baritone. (sp?) although i may try to sing baritone - but then the windows may start exploding... (ok... so im not that bad - i am gon' take vocal training though)

    the guy next to me may speak in baritone... am i supposed to quench my voice box? no. am i supposed to cut out my voice box? no.

    i dont believe that SFIC and Linda are trying to impose their standards on us. unless they think otherwise - that their standards are the bible standards.

    in that case. praise goes to SFIC and Linda for knowing all scripture and relaying the message to us. --- no thanks. what i know - God has revealed to me. what you know - God has revealed to you. that doesn't sound right.

    so who's right? nobody but God. what does God say on the matter? "i can't answer that because im not God" -- oh cut the string in half and answer the question. do you wait on God - wondering if you should go into missions or not?

    im going to go off topic here. i know. but it sickens me. it grieves me. because i believe it grieves the Spirit - when people go and say "oh im just waiting on God to see if i should go help the homeless in downtown L.A."

    enough of that - im going to start a new thread about that area.

    in conclusion to what i've said = you cannot determine if a certain music tone is christian or not... reminds me of a song done by AudioAdrenaline - "The houseplant song" - i'll post the lyrics here:

    http://www.lyricstime.com/audio-adrenaline-the-houseplant-song-lyrics.html
     
  2. whatever

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    I think I got it from http://purgatorio1.com/?p=265 which is one of my favorite blogs in the whole world wide web.
     
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    I got it gekko... and I agree with you... and BTW I too am a old fogey... almost 37 yrs old. But I still can appreciate something good when I see it.

    While hip hop is not my style, I appreciate it.
     
  4. gekko

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    thank you tinytim - at least some understand it is about the lyrics and not the music tones itself.
     
  5. standingfirminChrist

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    Ya know, Cain built an altar to the Lord. That was what God wanted. But Cain took that which was cursed and offered it on the altar. This displeased God.

    God does not want a sacrifice of praise and worship on an altar of the world.
     
  6. gekko

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    you still have not proven that an E-note is worldy...
     
  7. Blammo

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    I really would like to understand what exactly makes music "worldly".
    If it is electric instruments, wouldn't that make a computer and the internet "worldly"?
    If it is it's popularity in the world, wouldn't that make pizza "worldly"?
    Is Wal-Mart "worldly? What about amusement parks, ever go to any of them? Are they "worldly"?

    What makes something "worldly"? If it is something that the world enjoys, we are all in trouble. Maybe it is something that glorifies the world or the things in it. I honestly don't know. Please help me understand.
     
  8. gekko

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    i believe that whatever is not of God is worldly.

    is music of God or of Satan?
     
  9. gekko

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    but then again - evil was created by God - but that is not Godly at all...

    so yah - what IS the definition of "worldly" ??
     
  10. Eric B

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    Cain's offering was not rejected because "God cursed the ground". Else, there never would have been grain offerings in the temple ritual. God's cursing the ground was defined ain terms of the thorns and hard work it would produce.
     
  11. Linda64

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    In addition, Cain's sacrifice was the "work of his own hands". Cain was offering his own "works" to God.

    And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. (Genesis 4:2)

    And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. (Genesis 4:3)

    And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: (Genesis 4:4)

    But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. (Genesis 4:5)

     
  12. Blammo

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    Linda-

    So what are you saying here. Anything we do or create is going to be rejected by God? Are you saying the Hymns were created by God?

    Maybe I am totally missing the point.

    Ephesians 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

    Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

    Colossians 3:23-25 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.
     
  13. gekko

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    im going to quote what i said in the other "christian dance" thread - because i think these two threads are mostly the same:

     
  14. Eric B

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    People just need to read the passages they quote from. BOTH offered of the product they farmed, if that's what you mean by "the work of his own hands". Cain farmed the fruit of the ground, while Abel farmed animals. It's right there in the text. Now we all know the principle of blood for the remission of sins, but the passage doesn't even say they were making an atonement offering (there were many other types of offerings) or that God had even establshed blood atonement to man yet. Yes, we can see its principle in the skins given to Adam and Eve, but for Cloud to claim that "God taught them the way of salvation" as far as the details of blood sacrifice is taking our "systematic theology" way beyond scripture. But this is what is done in every issue, including this whole music issue. And once again grain offerings were not forbidden, as they too were used in the Temple.

    But as I was going to continue from before, you start with one set of proof texts that don't prove what you're saying, and after being pressed for proof, you come up with even worse prooftexting. The fact that you interpret the scripture on Cain that way, and then offer that as proof that rock music is of the flesh all the more calls into question your side's whole system of exegesis.
    Once agan, even users of traditional hymns can be guilty of bringing forth the works of their own hands; especially when the style just becomes an issue to judge others over, and without even the slightest real scriptural proof. (Which is the real works-righteosness, and would better correspond to Cain's offering). If this is the best scriptural evidence for God's musical preference you can offer, then it is time for you all just to leave the contemporary Church alone and instead go learn anew how to read the Bible and let it speak for itself. God is going to judge you for your handling of His Word, not for what others do.

    As I have said, this whole definition of "worldly" stems from the belief that "Christian" classical European and traditional American culture were "sacred" cultures, as opposed to everyone else, which was the "world". Instead of trying so hard to salvage the corrupt doctrine built on this bad foundation, people should just admit that it's wrong.
     
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    I'm still trying to figure out what's "worldly" also. I love classical music, and there's some pretty "lively" classical music. There are no lyrics, and it generally isn't played in church. So is classical music "worldly"?
     
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    Music is not neutral. If it was, it would not be used in the fashion it is used to sell cars on television.

    If it were neutral, it would not be a problem playing any kind of music in the church.

    And just for the record, as I said before, satan was created as a chief musician. He knows music. And he is using music to satisfy the flesh whether one wants to believe it or not.
     
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    So how do you justify being on the internet most of the day, SFIC? You obviously are reading this thread which, in your opinion, is filled with "worldly" lyrics and discussion. By even reading this kind of thread, are you not filling your mind with worldly thoughts? And by participating in this thread, are you not participating in worldly activities? What part of "be ye separate" are you obeying by being on this thread?
     
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    Junkie,

    I can justify it through my testimony of the truth.
     
  19. Eric B

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    I.m sorry, but you're not testifying truth, just hurling out accusations at styles. Nothing you have said has proven that all rock is bad, while traditional is not "worldly". Satan being a musician does not prove this either. He can use classical and traditional to deceive as well.
     
  20. gekko

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    SFIC said "satan was created as a chief musician. He knows music. And he is using music to satisfy the flesh whether one wants to believe it or not."

    oh i believe it all right.
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    the thing is though SFIC... you aren't looking at the other end of the spectrum...
    who created satan? God. who created him to be chief musician? God. who created the instruments he would play? God. who invented music? GOD. who can glorify himself through music? (which is only one way) --- God.

    you only look at one end of the spectrum SFIC.
    if satan can use music to satisfy the flesh - how much more can God use music to glorify himself?

    remember Junkie... SFIC doesn't look at the lyrics - doesn't look at the content - of music. he's looking at making a B-note ungodly. which is essentially what he's trying to do.

    again... if satan can use music to satisfy the flesh - how much more can God use the same music (because God created music afterall ya know) to glorify himself?
     
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