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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Jarthur001, Jan 21, 2011.

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  1. quantumfaith

    quantumfaith Active Member

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    I wisheth not to arminianeth anyone. :)
     
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  2. HankD

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    Here IMO is the essence of the problem of this on going debate C vs. A.

    Our God who is eternal and without beginning or end has entered into the time continuum which He created with both a beginning and an end.

    NKJV Ecclesiastes 3:11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end.​

    Psalm 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.​


    HankD​
     
    #82 HankD, Jan 23, 2011
  3. Winman

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    Well, Loraine Boettner disagreed with you.

    Source

    http://www.bloomingtonrpchurch.org/refdocpre/

    So who is ignorant, me or you?
     
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  4. glfredrick

    glfredrick New Member

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    From the very document you cite:

    Saying that the Reformed doctrines are only Calvin's (or even were formulated by Calvin) is to misrepresent history.
     
    #84 glfredrick, Jan 23, 2011
  5. Winman

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    I never said that, I said Calvin had influences, especially Augustine.

    It was Boettner who said Calvin was the one who truly put this system together.

    It was one of you Cals that said Calvin has nothing to do with Calvinism. That is ridiculous, why would they name the doctrine after him?
     
    #85 Winman, Jan 23, 2011
  6. Robert Snow

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    I don't agree with this.

    I don't agree with this.

    Getting closer.

    Getting even closer.

    This I agree with, with one exception. Those who are saved cannot be lost, they are kept by the Holy Spirit.

    I don't agree.

    I don't agree.
     
    #86 Robert Snow, Jan 23, 2011
  7. Jarthur001

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    What happened to human will? :)
     
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  8. Robert Snow

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    I'ts like the bond-slave during the time of Moses who chose to stay with their master, the Lord Jesus Christ. Once saved, we have had our ears pierced with a sharp awl.

    Exo 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.

    Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
     
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    We gave it to God when we received Jesus as our Lord and Savior.


    That's what a bond slave does.
     
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  10. Jarthur001

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    Hello Robert,

    Thanks for your reply. I can't give you Eph 1, because of many reasons. However, You do give a good answer over all. You also give a supporting verse.

    Let me ask you this. How does this relate to Gomer? Gomer is clearly the picture of salvation. She is also a slave.

    What do you think?
     
    #90 Jarthur001, Jan 24, 2011
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    Or as Tom Vols earlier pointed out in 2 Timothy 2:23-24 (New International Version)

    23 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.
     
    #91 Earth Wind and Fire, Jan 24, 2011
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    Not only that, but when you try to break up a fight you might end up with a blackeye yourself.

    HankD
     
    #92 HankD, Jan 24, 2011
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    Be all that as it may I see C-A being a worthwhile discussion. I was very anti-Cal (with no real reason to be except that was what was drilled into me previously) and unfocused as far as my theology was concerned before I began to study the issues for myself after being challenged on this very board.

    The problem starts when we begin to question the salvation of others and call them heretics- no need for that, in most cases. Occasionally a real heretic does show up but they don't last long in these parts.
     
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    So after observing this contentious argument & realizing that it doesn't resolve anything, I'm content NOT to participate....black eyes hurt too much. As Shakespeare I believe once quoted, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Our danger then is to become so involved in proving one side or the other that we forget that the opponent is a Christian brother.

    "Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right" Genesis 18:25 :godisgood:

    Blessings
    Steve
     
    #94 Earth Wind and Fire, Jan 24, 2011
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    I was predestined to believe in free-will.
     
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    Where is human will in trying to undo a murder done of one's free will?
     
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    Right, and for that reason, I don't particpate that often, only occassionally to give the MugWump point(s) of view.

    HankD
     
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    ok....i have no idea what you just said, but i'll answer 7.
     
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    According to your logic, if you can choose to do something you can equally choose to undo it or no longer do it.
     
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    Not really. Like in the fall of man, man does not have a will to right himself. So I know what happened to the will, it is bound.

    I asked a free-will believer, ...you know......one that believes man's will is still intact, .......I asked that guy what happened to mans will, after they had said that "man cannot just leave God because I believe they said..."because the believer is sealed"".

    Now I agree that God seals, because I believe God is in control of salvation from start to the end, and it is him that makes the choice before and after. So I know what happens to the will.

    The free-will has man with free-will intact....what happens to the will? How does it go from free to..sealed without God doing something that compromise mans will, if he should will to leave?

    Now a Bond Slave WANTS to be a slave. and there is more to it than just this, which we will get to later. But I'm asking if a slave WANTS to leave...that is his desire....Will God compromise mans will?

    If yes...than God does indeed do this.

    If no...than how does it work?

    Is it that God only has the right to do such things after man says it is ok?
     
    #100 Jarthur001, Jan 24, 2011
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