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Justification by Christ's Imputed Righteousness

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    “And here let me make one bold and broad statement, which I would that I had a voice loud enough for all the world to hear. It is just this: no sinner of Adam's posterity can, by possibility, be justified in the sight of God, but in the imputed righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ. This must be laid to his account, and put upon his person. He must be seen complete in Christ, or perish forever. Oh! ye hypocrites and formalists, and worldly professors, think seriously of this.”

    - Joseph Irons in a sermon entitled, “Justification”
     
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  2. Martin Marprelate

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    Romans 5:9. '.....Justified by His blood.'
    That is not to diminish the importance of Christ's imputed righteousness, but the word 'only' in the title of the thread is wrong.
     
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    Greetings,

    The word "only" in the title is not wrong, it is part of the whole Justification process by Jesus Christ as stated:

    It is by and through His shed blood we are cleansed and forgiven of our sins, as the scriptures mentioned below also agrees with the said title of this Thread.

    Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
    Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    Only through the living sacrifice of Jesus Christ and His Righteousness by the shedding of His Preceious blood, are we sanctified....Justified.......He stood in our stead, He is Our Justified Life.....nothing of and from oursleves.....ALL HIM.

    The Lord bless you.....
     
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  4. Martin Marprelate

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    Here I can agree with you. The OP seemed to be diminishing the vicarious suffering of our Lord on the cross. In fact, His 'active' and 'passive' obedience are all one glorious satisfaction of the justice of God.
     
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    Greetings,

    The OP did NOT "seem to be diminishing the vicarious suffering of our Lord on the cross". What he stated was very clear and understood.
    It was your imagination that thought he "diminished" which lead to a false assumption that he erred.
     
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    @Martin Marprelate @CalTech @KenH

    The OP is a quote from a sermon by Joseph Irons. It is a snip from a bigger message. Since we do not have the whole sermon, we cannot know the full theology of the preacher. He may have already expressed what Martin presented and had more to say than the quoted OP provides to us.

    I suggest, before an argument persists, that the full sermon by Joseph Irons would need to be read (heard) before a debate began.
     
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    Here it is: Justification (truegospel.net)
     
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    This is part of the sermon:

    "But the eye that sees the antidote did not make it. The hand that takes the antidote did not earn it. It is an acceptance and a reception by faith. Therefore, as often as you read or listen to the phrase so commonly employed and so seldom explained, "We are justified by faith," do not imagine that faith has any inherent justifying qualities or merits; but that it is simply the eye that sees, the hand that grasps, the power that rests, and the confidence that abides in Christ, and receives salvation wholly in His blood and righteousness." (emphasis mine)
     
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    Much better! Thank you for clarifying.:)
     
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    ...kinda like the word 'alone' in the Calvinist sola, 'Justification by Faith Alone'. It's wrong.
     
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    It is part of a complete set of thoughts;

    Salvation by grace alone,
    Through faith alone,
    In Christ alone,
    As revealed in Scripture alone,
    To the glory of God alone.

    Of course, this is all predicated on the God being absolutely totally sovereign and none of this is the result of the self-efforts of those chosen before the world began.
     
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    K. That doesn't change the fact that the Calvinist sola, 'Justification by Faith Alone', is wrong.
     
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    It's not that it is wrong, it's that it is incomplete. That is a problem with the use of "bumper sticker" theology since it does not contain the details.
     
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    Not only is it wrong, it's anti-Biblical.

    Justification by faith is incomplete.

    Justification by faith alone is anti-Biblical.
     
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    No redneck, it's not anti-biblical. What we must acknowledge is that faith is from God and not from man. Therefore when we say we are justified by faith alone, we are saying that God alone justifies us by the shed blood of Jesus, in which the faith God gave us is placed.

    There is no other justification except in Christ alone and by the faith God gives us alone. If you add human works to justification, then you have desecrated God's grace and are truly anti-biblical,just like the Roman Catholic Church.
     
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    "Alone" is not there in the scripture, 'Calvinists' have added it to the gospel. Paul's contention with the works system of the Jew's religion was the same as the Reformers struggle with Catholicism, and not once did he emphasize 'faith alone', which has morphed into the horrendous hardline restrictivism that all who have not heard the gospel will burn in hell, babies included, and just as bad there has evolved an irrational aversion to any mention of works as an element of our justification which is clearly taught in the scriptures. You 'faith aloners' have 'gone to seed' with justification by faith.
     
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    Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
     
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    Romans 4:1-8 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, saying,

    Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
    And whose sins are covered.
    Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. (emphasis mine)
     
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    ...from what?
     
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    From our sins. From spiritual death. From Hell.

    Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. (emphasis mine)
     
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