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  1. savedbymercy

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    Non Imputation = Justification

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    Thats error, Christ died in time actually, but the Non Imputation of the Elects Sins occurred in Eternity, that in and of itself is their Justification before God. Their slate was clean from any legal condemnation before they even sinned. That is why Paul preached 2 Cor 5:19

    19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
     
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    By His Death He purged Our sins !

    Heb 1:3

    3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

    I want the Blasphemers and antichrist teachers to see this accomplishment of Christ alone, something He accomplished apart from the Work of the Spirit, after His redeeming Death by which He purged our sins that were imputed to Him, He sat Down on the Right hand of the Majesty on High !

    What does purge here mean ? It is the greek word katharismos:


    a cleansing, purification, a ritual purgation or washing

    a) of the washing of the Jews before and after their meals

    b) of levitical purification of women after childbirth

    c) a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ

    In this Christ took our sins, its guilt, its condemnation and removed it all away, afterward set down having completed His Work. This Work was told of here by the Daniel the Prophet Dan 9:24

    24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    Now sin that has been completely purged and expiated, can never be imputed to any sinner Christ died for.

    So this Truth confirms Non Imputation of sin in time. How can any sinner that Christ died for, their sins being purged away, how can they be born under the guilt and condemnation of their sins Legally ?

    Its Impossible ! And none of this has not one thing to do with the Work of the Spirit !
     
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    Isa. 46:11... I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

    Your doctrine would require this verse to say:

    "I have accomplished what I have purposed"

    You doctrine is false and no matter how you SPIN it, you cannot deny what Isaiah 46:11 actually says.

    Nothing was accomplished before the world began except a covenant COMMITTMENT!!

    No amount of spin by you can make covenant OBLIGATION to be covenant ACCOMPLISHMENT but that is exactlly what you false doctrine teaches!

    God's eternal purpose is the OBJECTIVE of the covenant obligations but it was not accomplished before it was accomplished but that is exactly the oxymornic conclusion your doctrine teaches.

    By your oxymoronic rationale God would not even have an eternal purpose because it was already reality and thus such a purpose is nothing but an "after thought."

    Your defense of your nonsense is simply to PIT scriptures against scriptures and repeat irrationality.
     
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    Now your unbelief is really being exposed ! See ya at the Judgment. You had no business trying to preach the Gospel !
     
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    It exposes your false doctrne so clearly and so obviously that you are incapable of a reasonable or rational response. So you don't attempt to answer but only to make empty personal accusations.
     
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    Your enmity against the Death of Christ is really showing !
     
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    All you can do is make accusations but you are unable to respond to Isaiah 46:11 reasonably or rationally. Now who is the "accuser" in the Bible?
     
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    Sanctified by His Death alone !

    The Death of Christ in and of itself, apart from any conditions being performed by us, and apart from any work of the Holy Spirit, is so meritorious before God, that it actually sanctifies all for whom He died or offered Himself Heb 10:10

    10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

    By the Will of the Father the writer says we [ Believers] are sanctified by the Death of Christ, here referred to as 'The Offering of the Body of Christ"

    Now the word sanctified in the greek is a perfect passive participle. Most greek experts state that the perfect tense means:

    Now, because of His Death we have been sanctified, once and for all !

    This sanctification is because of and by His Death and has nothing to do with the Sanctification by or through the Spirit that comes later as 1 Pet 1:2 and 2 Thess 2:13 point out !

    But every sinner that Christ died for, they are born into this World as sinners, as by nature children of wrath as others, but they are born already set apart or sanctified unto God by Christ's Death, which others whom Christ did not offer Himself for are not !

    All who deny this Truth are Antichrist !
     
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    Certainly we are "set apart" through the offering of his body. That is the design of his offering to SET US APART unto salvation work of the Holy Spirit.

    That is the design of the atonement. However, the atonement does not save anyone in and of itself apart from God's Eternal Purpose which determines its purpose and apart from the work of the Holy Spirit which applies it as purposed.


    Again your false anti-christ doctrine cannot offer a reasonable or rational or contextual response to Isaiah 46:11. According to your doctrine God should have said, "What I have purposed I have already accomplished." However, he never said that. He said, "I have purposed it, I WILL DO it."

    Your rediculous doctrine repudiates God's eternal purpose by demanding it is no purpose at all but rather an "after thought" of reality already accomplished.
     
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    No No, you stated that apart from the Work of the Spirit that Christ's death was worthless. That is Blasphemy and Antichrist !

    It cannot sanctify and be worthless at the same time !
     
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    The word "sanctify" means to "set apart"! We are set apart by the redemption of Christ for salvation through the fulfilment of the covenant obligation by the Holy Spirit.

    Your doctrine is oxymoronic. You have God with a purpose that needs no fulfillment because it is already accomplished before the world began and you have Christ with an atonement that needs no application according to God's purpose which is through the covenant obligation by the Spirit of God.

    Your doctrine is not only irrational nonsense, proof texts out of context, but is "another gospel" straight from hell.
     
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    I know what it means. Here is the definition here:

    to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow

    2) to separate from profane things and dedicate to God

    a) consecrate things to God

    b) dedicate people to God

    3) to purify

    a) to cleanse externally

    b) to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin

    c) to purify internally by renewing of the soul

    In addition to being set apart, they are free from the guilt of sin by the expiation of Christ's Death !

    That is connected to Heb 1:3

    3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

    The word purged here means:

    a cleansing, purification, a ritual purgation or washing

    a) of the washing of the Jews before and after their meals

    b) of levitical purification of women after childbirth

    c) a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ

    So the elect are born free from the guilt of their sins, that is an aspect of their sanctification by the death of Christ alone.

    Now that means they are born Justified from all guilt of sin.

    Now are those whom Christ did not die for born sanctified like that also ?
     
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    The Difference !



    There is a big difference in Justification before God by the Death of Christ, and Justification before our conscious by the Gift of Faith given in the New Birth. Yes even conscious Justification which brings purification and peace of heart or mind, however receiving those blessings are not Justification itself, that fact is purely and solely accomplished by the Work of Christ, His Blood, which took away our sins, before the Law and Justice of God ! His Blood cleanses us from all sin, whether we believe it or not or know it or not, that fact still remains and is credited solely to the Blood of Christ ! Rom 5:9

    9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

    Notice Justification while being saved is future !
     
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    Heb 10:14 By one offering he hath perfected for ever

    Heb 10:14

    14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

    It must be also that all for whom Christ died, by His Offering alone, apart from any work of the Spirit on them or in them, that by this one One Offering, they are Justified forever, because by it they are perfected forever, and within this perfection there is not one of their sins not punished in Christ for them, to include the sin of unbelief !

    The word perfected here means:

    to make perfect, complete

    to carry through completely, to accomplish, finish, bring to an end

    to complete (perfect)

    add what is yet wanting in order to render a thing full

    to be found perfect to bring to the end (goal) proposed

    to accomplish

    bring to a close or fulfilment by event

    of the prophecies of the scriptures

    Now remember, the Author is speaking about the Effects of the Death of Christ, and that it [Christ's Offering alone] Perfected those who are sanctified.

    Now what does this mean ?

    It means that Christ has perfectly fulfilled the Law for them ! He obeyed all of its Precepts Perfectly, not for Himself, but for them, Before God's Law and Justice !

    Next, He has perfectly atoned for their sins, took them out of the way,absolved them before God's Law and Justice, perfectly.Cleansed them as Per Heb 1:3

    3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

    Also, He obtained forgiveness of all our sins ,Perfectly, past, present and future, for all the Elect of all time !

    We have by virtue of His Offering been Justified from all things Acts 13:39

    And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

    Not their believing Justified them from all things, But Christ, by His Offering, which we come to believe when that fact is Revealed to us !

    All this was accomplished solely by the Offering of Christ for all whom He died, before and apart from but not to omit or cast aside, the Work of the Spirit and the Faith of the Believer !
     
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    Heb 10:14 By one offering he hath perfected for ever



    Heb 10:14 By one offering he hath perfected for ever, which includes the doing away with unbelief !

    The Antichrist teachers, many of them teach that Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief, but that is another lie. If Christ did not die for that sin, and believing in Christ is something man does apart from Christ's satisfying God's law and Justice on our behalf for our sins, then we are saved by something we did apart from the atonement of Christ's satisfaction, if its true that Christ did not die for unbelief !

    However, the sin of unbelief along with all other sins have been paid for by Christ's Death for all whom He died, and they are before God's Law and Justice perfected forever !

    For unbelief did not prevent Paul from being saved by Christ's Death from His Testimony here 1 Tim 1:12-16


    12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

    13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

    14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

    15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

    16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

    Paul testifies to the Grace of God saving Him out of and in spite of His Ignorance and Unbelief, which all of God's Elect are in at first Rom 11:32

    32 For God hath concluded them all[The Elect] in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

    But back to Heb 10:14, by His Death [alone] He hath perfected [perfect passive participle] forever all whom are being sanctified, that are in a sanctified state ! This means that everyone Christ died for, that even though as others by nature, they are children of wrath, nevertheless unlike them, they are at the same time in a state of sanctification by Christ's Blood Heb 10:10, for the passover Lamb has been slain for them. They are all like Jeremiah 1:5 He was sanctified before he came out of his Mothers womb by the Purpose of God, but that said, he was still born like other men of his day, by nature a child of wrath, a sinner, and needed to be experientially reconciled to God like this Col 1:21

    21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled !

    All of God's Elect will experience this reconciliation because of the perfection of the Death of Christ which this is the fruit of !
     
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    Justification in Rom 8:29-30



    What about Justified in Rom 8:29-30 ?

    29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


    In this sequence given by inspiration of the Eternal Purpose of God in Election to Glorification coming to fruition,Paul places call [in time] before Justification, which means as God's Eternal Purpose unfolds in time to each vessel of mercy or the [them], we see not why to confess that in a point of time, the elect individual called by the Gospel is Justified by Faith given to them in the New Birth, for this fulfills the Gospel promise to Abraham that God made here Gal 3:8

    8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

    This is part of the Eternal Decree, that God purposed. That God would Justify the heathen through Faith is something God decreed to do, and also these would be Abraham's Seed !

    So God had decreed to give the Elect evidence [Faith] of their Eternal Justification to their own consciousness in time, by sending the Holy Spirit to set them apart to Faith or the belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13, in this, Christ is revealed to them and they are given a Knowledge [spiritual] of Salvation or Justification by the remission of their sins Lk 1:77 which took place before the world began by non imputation, because they [their sins] were imputed to their Covenant Head and Surety before the World Began ! But yes, there is time in time, when the Elect are Called, then Justified by Faith in their consciousness as God Promised to do here Gal 3:8 !
     
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    Imputation of sins of the elect to Christ from the foundation!



    Rev 13:8

    8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    If in the Eternal Purpose of God, the Lamb has been slain from the foundation of the world, what was He slain for ? It was for the sins of those He was actually slain for in time ! God's Elect. We know this because Peter writing to God's Elect in 1 Pet 1:1-2 writes this to THEM 1 Pet 2:24

    24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

    Whose our sins ? Its the Elect according to the foreknowledge of God !

    Now, if Christ was slain in the Eternal Purpose of the Father, it was for the sins of the foreknown Elect of God.

    And that means their sins had been imputed to His Charge, in the Eternal Purpose of God before the foundation of the world. See 1 Pet 1:20 !

    It was before the foundation of the world that the Triune God, The Father, Word, and Holy Spirit, The God-Head, in the Counsel of the Everlasting Covenant, Christ being the designated Surety thereof, The Father imputed, laid to the Sureties charge, in His Mediator Office 1 Tim 2:5, the sins of all His Elect. Also they received from Him the Imputed Righteousness of His future obedience unto the Law of God.

    This imputation concerns only the Election of Grace among men, and not that of the reprobates, men or angels ! 34
     
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    I propose that "justified" means "regenerated" and "saved" means being acceptable/qualified for local church membership.
     
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    Think Bible says to us that a sinner is freely justified by being BOTH regenerated and saved, regeneration work of God, and we than place faith in christ and are saved!
     
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    Eternally Justified in God's Purpose !



    Everyone who is truly believing in the Son of God for their Salvation Jn 3:16, for the word believing there is in the present tense hence "whosoever is believing" was eternally Justified in the Purpose of God by the Grace of God Rom 8:30; 2 Tim 1:9

    Rom 8:30

    30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

    2 Tim 1:9

    9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

    The Justification of the Elect of God did not begin in time, but from everlasting. Paul when revealing in His Gospel the eternal decree of God and of predestination, states clearly that all of God's Elect were Justified in His Eternal Purpose of Grace ! Thats what Paul also points to in Titus 3:7

    7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

    What Hope of Eternal Life ? This right here Titus 1:2

    1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

    2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

    The Elect were made Heirs of Eternal Life before the world began, by Grace, and they were Justified by that Grace before the world began !

    The writer John Gill once said " God's will to elect is the election of His People; so also His will to Justify them is the justification of them" !

    God's Justification of His People is an act of Grace and based upon the redemption that is in Christ Jesus Rom 3:24

    24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

    Now this redemption, took place in the mind and purpose of God before the foundation of the world 1 Pet 1:20 and Rev 13:8


    20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

    Rev 13:8

    8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
     
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