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Justifying the UNGODLY and Catholicism

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by The Biblicist, May 31, 2013.

  1. The Biblicist

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    Rom. 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

    First, the nature of "works" must be precisely defined in verses 1-5.

    1. It is something that the person engaged in such can "glory".

    2. It is something opposite to "believeth" - vv. 3, 5

    3. It is something that cannot be "counted" or "reckoned" to a person- vv.
    3,5,6 but is placed in opposition to such.

    4. It is something that places another party in your "debt" - v. 4

    5. It is something that can exist apart from Judaism and the Law of God as verses 1-5 refer to works by Abraham 430 years before Moses and before his cirucumcision (vv. 9-13).

    6. However, it can also include Mosaic law keeping - vv. 13-15

    7. It is anything that Abraham and Sarah could do to contribute to the birth of Isaac - vv. 16-21 - rather than the sole miraculous work of God, as in raising the dead, calling into being things non-existent, bringing forth a child from "dead" "deadness" of all human ability to contribute.

    8. Finally, it is anything that would alter the condition or position of the justified from "ungodly" - Rom. 4:5 - as God justifieth only the "ungodly."

    Roman Catholicism (and all who deny eternal security) contradicts all of these contextual definitives. Catholicism demands that justfiication is only of the "godly" not the "ungodly."

    The sense of "ungodly" is in the context of "justification" and therefore must be defined of a person who is not without fault before the Law and therefore under its condemnation. One sin is all that is required to be condemned by the Law of God - James 2:10-11. Simply coming "short" is all that is required to be condemned by the Law - Rom. 3:23. Hence, this is a man that cannot measure up to the standard of the Law IN HIS OWN PERSON.
    #1 The Biblicist, May 31, 2013
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