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Kansas Schools to Teach the Controversy Over Evolution

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Pastor_Bob, Nov 16, 2005.

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  1. Pastor_Bob

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    Under a national spotlight, the Kansas Board of Education voted Tuesday to adopt new science standards for public schools that include teaching the scientific criticisms of the Darwinian theory of evolution.

    But Rob Crowther, director of communications for the Discovery Institute, said most media reports about the vote have incorrectly reported it as intelligent design versus evolution. "This has been misreported," he said. "Headlines have said
    things like, 'Kansas Adopts Intelligent Design
    Curriculum,' or 'Adopts Standards That Favor Intelligent Design.' The board was very clear. The standards themselves do not include intelligent design at all. Included in the standards are the criticisms of Darwinian evolution -- scientific criticisms right out of scientific literature."

    Crowther said the misinformation originated from those who oppose teaching about the discrepancies in the theory of evolution, those who won't admit that problems even exist. "It seems like they've done as much as they can to get the spotlight off of the scientific problems that are being raised by scientists about Darwin's theory," Crowther said. "So they talk about religion or they claim it is about intelligent design or anything to change the
    subject."

    He cited an e-mail circulated last spring by the Kansas Citizens for Science, a group opposed to changing the standards. It revealed the group's media policy, which was played out in major newspapers and on national TV news programs after the vote. "It was to make fun of people on the other side. It was to call them names, to change the subject as much as possible," Crowther said. "It was fascinating to see that
    that was the approach they were taking."

    Crowther said the Kansas Board of Education established last summer what was at issue. "You can obviously criticize or challenge Darwinian
    evolution without putting forward intelligent design theory. They are two separate things," he said. "And the critics have tried to make it all the same thing. So even if you're trying to be critical, you're suddenly 'promoting intelligent design.' And that's just not the case."

    In a Seattle Times article, Steve Abrams, chairman of the board, said he was pleased with the 6-4 vote in favor of the new standards. "This is a great day for education," he said. "This absolutely teaches more about science."

    Crowther said Abrams is right on the money. "This has always been science versus science, not science versus religion," he said. "In Kansas, unfortunately, the critics of the science standard wanted to make it about
    religion, because they thought that was a way to get the focus off of the science. When people start to learn about the science, it is eye-opening."

    Kansas joins Ohio, Minnesota and New Mexico in adopting standards that encourage teaching the criticism of evolution.

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    #1 Pastor_Bob, Nov 16, 2005
  2. riverm

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    I think it’s great. Each should be given equal time in the classroom exposing the flaws of each. It’s time our kids in schools are taught HOW to think and not WHAT to think…
     
    #2 riverm, Nov 16, 2005
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    :mad: Yeah, and astrology should be given equal time with astronomy, earth-wind-fire-water elements with the periodic table of elements, geocentrism with heliocentrism, bombastics with logic, evil spirit theory with germ theory, Ebonics with English, etc, etc. :eek:

    What's reeally kewl is the way the Kansas Board of Education simply redefined "science" :cool: after all those pesky scientists [​IMG] kept bugging them at the hearing about "the scientific method" :rolleyes: and "falsifiability" and all that pointy-head stuff. [​IMG]
     
    #3 Daisy, Nov 16, 2005
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    This is such much a less intresting place without you here Daisy! [​IMG] I appauld the Kansas schools!
     
    #4 Bunyon, Nov 16, 2005
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    "Each should be given equal time in the classroom exposing the flaws of each."

    Each what? Read the initial post again.
     
    #5 billwald, Nov 16, 2005
  6. riverm

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    Since the article exposed the claim by the critics that teaching the criticisms of evolution may in some shape or form promote ID or Intelligent Design…this was their way of redirecting the spotlight off of the flaws of evolution and attempting to turn this into a ID versus atheistic Evolution debate, in which the media erred. Imagine that…


    My comment (which isn’t talked about in the article btw) suggests that both or Each meaning ID and the theory of evolution should be given equal time in the classroom exposing the flaws of each and allowing the individual student to make his or her own mind up regarding the origins of man.

    Hope that clears it up any misunderstandings…

    Blessings…
     
    #6 riverm, Nov 17, 2005
  7. Matt Black

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    Oh great. The slack-jawed yokels have won. No wonder the Asians are kicking your behinds when it comes to science. Your country must be the laughing stock of the developed world. In terms of scientific reasoning, I put the Intelligent Design argument alongside the idea some Africans have that you can cure AIDS by sleeping with a virgin (kudos to Daisy for the other comparisons). In the meantime, I hear that some of Kansas' alchemists are on the verge of a breakthough in turning lead into gold. Personally, I demand a return of phrenology. In Kansas, anyway, where their low angular foreheads can appreciate its subtle wisdoms.


    Maybe it's time for Civil War II. Kick Kansas out of the Union.

    Yes, Blue Staters are Elitists. They think they're smarter than the hicks in places like Kansas. Because, if this is anything to go by, they are.
     
    #7 Matt Black, Nov 17, 2005
  8. riverm

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    Looks like someone didn’t read the article in the OP, looks like our resident Englishman is falling for the media’s misinterpretation of what’s actually happening in Kansas in regards to teaching evolution, which they are STILL teaching...duh…
    I wonder where England falls on the literacy scale in the developed world.
     
    #8 riverm, Nov 17, 2005
  9. Matt Black

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    It depends what you read. I draw your attention to the second paragraph of this article :-

    Now you try telling me the IDers had nothing to do with it...
     
    #9 Matt Black, Nov 17, 2005
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    "No wonder the Asians are kicking your behinds when it comes to science."------------------------------------------------------------------------

    You wish. Who just decoded the human genome.
    Thats right, the good ole USA. Oh btw, Mat, do you really think the human genome, that took years to decode really got assembled by random chance in some primordial soup. No wonder, England who was our mother, is now our ward.
     
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    Not if I have anything to say about it...
     
    #11 Matt Black, Nov 17, 2005
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    Wow. Somebody dares to say evolution has some unanswered questions, and the fur starts flyin'.....
     
    #12 Bro. Curtis, Nov 17, 2005
  13. riverm

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    Now you try telling me the IDers had nothing to do with it... </font>[/QUOTE]And if you would have read the article in the OP which has statements by Rob Crowther from the Discovery Institute in regards to the Kansas’ Board of Education’s decision, this would have made clear your links article in terms of what’s actually happening in Kansas.

    Evolution is still being taught in Kansas, only now, students are shown the criticisms of the theory, which is nothing new to the scientific community. Biologists admit to this and are aware that there are criticisms that are legit; this doesn’t mean that I.D is being promoted. IDers never suggested throwing evolution out altogether in Kansas, only that students need to be reminded that evolution is still just a theory.
     
    #13 riverm, Nov 17, 2005
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