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Karl Marx, Socialism, and Obama

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Winman, Nov 11, 2012.

  1. InTheLight

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    And when Bush was president these same leftists (think Ralph Nader types) believed that the mainstream media was a tool of George Bush and was slanted to favor the right wing.
     
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    May take a little more than another year but Obama made a lot of progress in the last four. By 2016 he will have achieved his goal of turning the country into a third world Marxist country!
     
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    Just goes to show how smart these people are. Nevertheless they are succeeding in their goal.
     
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    I can assume that you have never heard the term "creeping Socialism".

    FDR and his "New deal" gave us Social Security and a bigger Federal government!

    LBK and his "Great Society" gave us Mediscare and Medicaid, and a huge Federal bureaucracy!

    Obamma has given us an additional $6 trillion in debt, and one more giant step toward Socialized medicine with Obamacare.

    Some countries move to Marxism by revolution; others, like northern Europe do it slowly as this country is!
     
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    And it is all controlled by the international corporations you all know and love so well!
     
  6. OldRegular

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    That is another leftist myth. Actually the richest people in the country are democrats/leftist; Gates, Buffett, Soros

    The Stupid PARTY just hasn't understood that yet!
     
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    And that is another myth OR. Actually Gates, Buffett and Soros aren't leftists as much as they are Malthusian globalists using a left cover. This is something liberals have failed to grasp. Their socialist ideals were co opted by the fascistic globalists long ago. Conservatives so far have refused to see past the left cover either so they blame everything on the equally duped socialists.

    Conservatives have let their hate for the left blind them to reality. The global fascists control the lefties and the righties.
     
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    None of this is socialism, its just social liberalism/welfare-statist policies. Many countries that actually did engage in socialist policies such as Britain abandoned it and is now liberalizing their economies.
     
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    Then why did President Obama not withdraw immediately from Afghanistan or intervene in Libya-both of which are supported by the leftists (and moreover by a majority of Americans)?
     
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    I doubt a majority of Americans were for involvement in Libya. I sure wasn't!
     
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    And it was done outside of Congress, ON HIS OWN, with UN approval, not Congressional approval!!
     
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    Sorry if it was written badly, but that's what I meant. And the leftists didn't support it either-so therefore if Libyan intervention was a policy opposed by most people and opposed by leftists than what reason would Obama have if he really was a leftist to support it?
     
  13. OldRegular

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    Wealth redistribution is the hallmark of Socialism. Obamma admitted to Joe the Plumber in 2008 that he was for wealth distribution.
     
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    Romney and Republicans were the ones calling for wealth distribution ... the distribution of wealth from the middle class and poor to the already rich.

    Romney, Rove and the GOP not only spent a lot of intelligence but also money in spreading the illusion that the rich need tax cuts else the world as we know it will end. Just taint so.

    It seems you have taken in their bait, hook, line and sinker.

    Saul Bellow said,
     
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    >Romney and Republicans were the ones calling for wealth distribution ... the distribution of wealth from the middle class and poor to the already rich.

    EXACTLY! the poor don't have anything worth stealing.
     
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    Cabby is it impossible for you to be honest. That statement is false and you know it. I would remind you once again that the richest men in the country, Gates, Buffett, and Soros supported obamma. It is totally stupid to say that 50 million Republicans are in favor of taking money out of their pocket and putting it into the pockets of Gates, Buffett, or Soros! Sometimes your ranting is juvenile!

    That is another lie. Romney made it clear to anyone with smarts sufficient to understand that he would not reduce the amount of tax the rich paid but that he would cut taxes on the middle class. Cabby you are an embarrasment to yourself and to all "true believer" by your continued dishonesty!


    It is obvious you did not read the brilliant piece by your countryman in the Czech Republic so I will repeat it courtesy of mont974x4.

     
  17. OldRegular

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    Billwald

    You surely you are not sufficiently ignorant to believe that 50+ million Republicans are ignorant enough, like you and Crabby apparently are, to take their hard earned money out of their pocket and give it to folks like Gates, Buffett, and Soros.
     
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    Yep, leave it to these Socialists and pretty soon you won't have to worry about the rich man, every single person will be poor.

    All of this resentment of the rich is nothing but covetousness. Thank God for rich people, it is rich people who give the rest of us jobs. Without rich people everyone would be poor.

    Look at Socialist countries, do they ever make life better for the average man? NO, in every country where it has been tried there has been nothing but poverty and oppression.

    But despite this clearly being observed, some folks think they can make it work. Some folks just have to learn the hard way.
     
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    Actually it is the small businessmen/women who supply the most jobs ... and very few of these good folk are rich as in the type of rich you allude to in your comment.

    I believe you are confusing Communism with Socialism. The two are not the same.

    Norway
    Australia
    Holland

    are ranked ahead of the US in standard of living.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

    In a ranking of the highest quality of life the US ranks 9th.

    1. Norway
    2. Australia
    3. Sweden
    4. Netherlands
    5. Germany
    6. Switzerland
    7. Ireland
    8. Canada
    9. USA
    10. South Korea
    http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html

    So your premise about Socialism does not hold.

     
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    They never make life better, but more importantly than that socialism/communism is contrary to the founding of this country.
     
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