Hello to all:
I ran across this article and thought you all might like to read it, good stuff:
A Fundamentalist’s Education | Central Baptist Theological Seminary
Get back with opinions concerning one who has good credentials and good insights from the Fundamentalist's perspective.
This is cross posted in colleges and seminaries.
rd
Kevin Bauder: A Fundamentalist's Education
Discussion in 'Fundamental Baptist Forum' started by Rhetorician, Jan 19, 2018.
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Quite an interesting read. Thanks for posting.
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I enjoyed reading it. Interesting how Bauder's conservatism (or fundamentalism) was strengthened while studying at schools that naturally might have led him to be less conservative.
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You made an interesting observation that I think also applies to me.
Much of my graduate school has been done in very liberal venues. I did some of my best learning, IMHO, at; Harding Graduate School of Religion-one of the Churches of Christ seminaries, Memphis Theological Seminary-an ecumenical seminary of the Cumberland Presbyterian Church, and The University of the South's-School of Theology @ Sewanee-the very liberal and left leaning Episcopal Church seminary.
In fact I think it might have made me a better Baptist. Made me think through what I believe on a different level for sure.
One man's perspective and opinion.
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One point that Bauder makes -- and which is probably also true of you -- was that he was older and more experienced when he began those studies. Sometimes the starry-eyed young student is shocked and awed by the elevated professors, and swallows all down, hook, line, and sinker.
I was still fairly young when I went to Bible College, but in comparison to many classmates, had been well grounded in Bible studies by my church, teachers and pastors. Many of my fellow students knew next to nothing about the Bible or theology. I'm not saying that as a pat on my back -- for there is worlds of biblical stuff that I didn't know and still don't know. But many others seemed to have little backgound in the Bible. For example, in a homiletics class assignment to make a sermon outline on "assurance," everyone else did an outline on eternal security.
I suspect it would do most people good to get some "real world experience" before going on to higher education classes. Of course, a big problem there is it can be hard to move back to that after being out of school awhile. -
I appreciate Dr. Bauder's commitment to accuracy in presenting the history of Baptist Fundamentalism.
From his powerpoint for his Central Seminary's Spring 2009 Pastors' Day lecture:
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Bauder devotes a number of pages to preacher Amy Lee Stockton in his book with Robert Delnay, One in Hope and Doctrine: Origins of Baptist Fundamentalism, 1870–1950 (Regular Baptist Press, 2014). PDF of the first chapter of the book and index provided here.
Reviewed in Cambridge's Church History journal:
cambridge.org/core/journals/church-history/article/one-in-hope-and-doctrine-origins-of-baptist-fundamentalism-18701950-by-kevin-bauder-and-robert-delnay-schaumburg-ill-regular-baptist
"The book is based on rigorous scholarship, complemented by the authors' inside knowledge of their subjects. Even when discussing theological liberals and other opponents of Baptist fundamentalism, they are for the most part balanced in their assessment."
"Bauder and Delnay have brought to the fore a couple of historical actors who have been overlooked previously. One in particular is Oliver Van Osdel of the Wealthy Street Baptist Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan. In the development of fundamentalism within the old Northern Baptist. Convention (NBC) and the formation of the Baptist Bible Union (BBU), Van. Osdel was probably more significant than the early fundamentalist stars—William Bell Riley, T.T. Shields, and J. Frank Norris. While those three crisscrossed the country rallying and energizing fundamentalists, Van Osdel worked diligently behind the scenes to build an actual fundamentalist movement in Michigan that became a core part of the BBU. When the BBU fell apart in the early 1930s, and the big three went on to other things, Van. Osdel and some of his even lesser known compatriots founded the General. Association of Regular Baptist Churches (GARBC)." -
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Bro. Vaughn,
True and well said. Another astute observation of you. Your experience is much like mine I suppose from hearing your testimony.
May God make your tribe to increase as we progress for His Glory.
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I also enjoyed these articles by Bauder:
Initial Thoughts on Distance Education
Roger, Roger | Part Four: Today’s Situation
and especially
The Baptist Paradox
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Squire Robertsson AdministratorAdministrator
When was she at HSBC? I assume it was before Arno Q. Wenigar's pastorate (1942-1977). At one point, he had a lectern on the platform so a woman would not occupy the pulpit.
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Me, I've found enough to interest me in the history of the Northern Baptist movement to keep me too busy to be all that mindful of what was going on down South
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It has long been the assumption that the Yankees held a form of the truth, but denied the truth in practice.
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Somewhere I posted how an early controversy in Baptist churches was over congregational singing.
The strident held that such singing (remember it was typically the psalms) was presenting the gospel and therefore such was not allowed to be done when women were in the. assembly.
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Considering HSBC's 120+ year history, I see this incident as an anomaly. Further, HSBC is a California church. While California was a Union State, we are most definitely not Yankees.
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Dear agedman,
I am glad for you to read from the Founders Journal and quote my good friend and colleague Jeff Robinson. You had better watch out, if you are not a Particular Redemptionist, you will be by reading that kind of stuff!!! LOL!!!
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Can you name a fundamental independent Baptist Church in the south that endorsed a woman preachet? -
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I'm not sure why reading about a squabble between Baptists over prohibiting singing in worship would affect your TULIP status.
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