King James Only and Jehovah

John,

Please offer evidence of your claim. Are you ignoring the fact that the NIV was translated by many other denominations as well as the very general title "Baptist?"

Also, you talk of the modern NIV and such, but I must remind you, the KJV was modern at one time as well.

In Christ,
Neal

 

Could whoever made this comment (I think John) explain? I do not understand what you are saying here. If you mean that we believe Jesus was not God while he was in the flesh, you are flat out wrong. Please explain.

In Christ,
Neal </font>[/QUOTE]My understanding is that Baptists subscribe to the Nestorian heresy that there is no communion of the divine and human natures in the person of Christ. There are actually two Christs, a Christ who is God and Christ who is man. This is why Baptists say that Mary is mother of Jesus but not the mother of God. So the NIV is a better fit with Baptist doctrine: God appearing in a body rather than God manifest in the flesh.

 

neal4christ,

As to the makeup of the NIV translation team, I'll take your word for it. I don't own a NIV and have no plans to purchase one. I was using "Baptist" in the broad sense. Would Reform/Baptist be more accurate?

 

mr. Gilmore
"it never occurred to anyone in the LCMS that a bible translated by Baptists from Catholic manuscripts might be full of heresy!"
Depending on your point of view, there are either no Catholic manuscripts (the Alexandrian manuscripts are Oriental-Orthodox, the Antiochian manuscripts are Eastern-Orthodox), or all manuscripts are Catholic. The codex Vaticanus is owned by the Catholic Church, but if that fact makes it Catholic the same standard would have to apply to the Heidelberger Cathechismus that is also owned by the Vatican.

"My understanding is that Baptists subscribe to the Nestorian heresy that there is no communion of the divine and human natures in the person of Christ."

Normal orthodox baptist theology follows Chalcedon. And no you don't have to be a closet Lutheran (or God forbid Calvinist) to hold normal orthodox baptist theological viewpoints.

 

Nope, sorry, you are wrong. That is not what Baptists (at least the ones I know and the school I go to) believe. I do not believe this. I have no problem saying that Mary was the mother of God.

In Christ,
Neal

 

No, I am afraid not. The NIV came about from two groups deciding that a new translation was needed after exploratory committees. They are: Christian Reformed Church and National Association of Evangelicals. Here is the quote from the Preface of the NIV as to the make-up of the translation committee:

In Christ,
Neal

 

Dear Brother THE HARVEST:

While you were asleep:

1. 8% of the ordained pastors
in the USofA became women

2. The USA sends out some 14,000
missionaries; over 1,000 third world
mission sending agencies send
35,000 missionaries.

3. Of the 70,000 conversions in the World
to Christianity each day, 28,000
of them are in China.

4. The number of Christians in Africa
surpassed the number of Christians in
North America about 1985.

5. The largest "easy access" market
is China on-line. 68 Million Chineese
were online in 2003. 200 Million
Chineese will be online in 2005.
Don't you think God is calling you
to learn The Chineese language so you can
witness to Red Chinamen online?

You gonna have to quit getting your
stats from Jack Chick, most of his numbers
are from the 1970s and these are the
Twenty-aught-aughts!!

 

rsr, mioque, and neal4christ,

Thanks for helping me understand standard Baptist doctrine. I have a couple questions.

1. Does the hypostatic union of the divine and human natures continue for eternity?

1 Tim 3:16
Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.NIV

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. KJV

2. If so, is Jesus trapped in heaven?

Acts 3:21
He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. NIV

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. KJV

 

No, I am afraid not. The NIV came about from two groups deciding that a new translation was needed after exploratory committees. They are: Christian Reformed Church and National Association of Evangelicals. Here is the quote from the Preface of the NIV as to the make-up of the translation committee:

In Christ,
Neal </font>[/QUOTE]Lutherans appear to be the only ones on the list who believe in the Real Presence. This is the very area where the most severe heresy occurs. If Jesus is trapped in heaven, He can not be with us in the Holy Supper.

Lutheran translation experts tells me the text changes from KJV to NIV regarding the Real Presence and the two natures of Christ have no validity. I don't understand why the Lutheran team members did not resign over these obvious errors.

 

"Lutherans appear to be the only ones on the list who believe in the Real Presence."
Of the groups listed at least the Anglicans also believe consubstantion. And I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't more groups who also believe in the Real Presence.

 

You can find Anglicans (and even Baptists) who believe in transubstantiation, consubstantiation, and the sacramental union (Lutheran). However, the public confession of the Anglican church denies the Real Presence.