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KJV for academic study (long)

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Heel4Christ, Jan 17, 2007.

  1. Keith M

    Keith M New Member

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    Why would the NIV translators add to the manuscripts they were translating from? The NIV is faithful to its underlying text and nothing has been "left out" of the NIV. Since we don't have the original autographs we cannot say with any degree of certainty whether some verses were or were not an original part of Scripture.

    If "The Final Authority" promotes anything except God speaking through the Holy Spirit as the final authority, then it is wrong.

    If that is your choice, then so be it. However there are some so-called modern versions which need much less interpreting than the KJV. These MVs are just as much the word of God as the KJV. It is quite likely that there were also those who held your view about MVs when the KJV was just such an MV. After all, the KJV did not become "the" Bible overnight.
     
  2. dcorbett

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    aaaah, Keith, I had to go study your doctrine to see why we differ, and we differ on a lot of things, so I won't argue with you. Have a nice day!

    Free Will Baptist Doctrine is distinguished from the majority of Baptist groups (including the Southern Baptist Convention and her offshoots, as well as fundamentalist Baptists) in that Free Will Baptists reject the popular Baptist view of "unconditional perseverance of the saints," (also commonly referred to as the "Doctrine of Unconditional Eternal Security" or "once saved, always saved"), which is based on the Calvinist teaching. Instead, Free Will Baptist Doctrine holds to the traditional Arminian position, based on the belief in a General Atonement, that it is possible to commit apostasy, or willfully reject one's faith. Faith is the condition for salvation, hence Free Will Baptists hold to "conditional eternal security." An individual is "saved by faith and kept by faith." The concept is not of someone sinning occasionally and thus accidentally ending up "not saved", but instead of someone "repudiating" their faith in Christ. Free Will Baptists believe that an individual maintains his or her free will to follow Christ, but in the event a believer turns from faith in Christ, there is no remedy for this apostasy (based on an interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6).
     
  3. AVBunyan

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    Thanks DCorbett for that info - again, my suspicions have been right about some things - makes sense.

    Thanks again :thumbs:
     
  4. Keith M

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    Uh, Debbie, I didn't assume that because you were listed as IFB that I should lump you into a group with all the rest, simply assuming that because you attend an IFB church you are just one pea in a pod. Why did you make that assumption of me? Have you ever questioned me about what I believe? Of course you haven't! You merely assume that because I stand against the error of KJVOism as it is preached by many, that I also stand against truths on which I was raised. Just because I attend a Freewill Baptist Church doesn't mean I subscribe 100% to every little belief held by many Freewill Baptists. So before you go jumping to erroneous conclusion and making false accusations about someone's doctrine, you need to discuss their beliefs with them. No need to argue - just make sure you aren't making false statements like you did about me. You have never asked me about my doctrine, you just assumed that because my profile says Freewill Baptist that I automatically believe all the things in that paragraph you quoted. You're wrong about that, Debbie! So before you assume that you and I "differ on a lot of things" beside the KJVO debate, why don't you ask me what I believe? It sure could have saved you from that egg on your face!

    By the way, if I held 100% to the beliefs of many of the members of our church, then I would agree with the KJVO stance - and I certainly don't agree with the error of KJVOism that is preached by many here at BB and elsewhere.

    So while you think about your false assumptions and your prejudices, have a nice day!
     
  5. Keith M

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    Uh, AVBunyan, if you want to join Debbie in making false assumptions and accusations, then go right ahead! Apparently you don't care about anything except the fact that I stand firmly against the error of onlyism as it is spread by many on BB and elsewhere. You too assume that because I attend a Freewill Baptist church that I am one pea in a pod. Well, as you usually are, you are absolutely wrong. You also have egg on your face. But then that is an everyday occurence for you, isn't it?!

    :laugh: :rolleyes: :laugh:
     
  6. AVBunyan

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    Do you believe one can lose or fall away from their salvation or not?
     
  7. Keith M

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    No. I was raised Southern Baptist, and like many Southern Baptists I believe in OSAS. But that's getting off topic here, so further discussion of whether one can or cannot lose their salvation belongs in another thread in another forum.
     
  8. AVBunyan

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    Hi Keith – It appears my assumption was incorrect and for that I do apologize. I just assumed that since you attended a Freewill Baptist that you believed what they believed regarding justification since that is a major doctinre. I have found over the years that most folks that believe they can lose it also hold to the modern versions.

    Sorry about that :wavey:
     
  9. Keith M

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    Does this mean that I am an anomaly?

    Apology accepted, AVBunyan. Our pastor is not one who is big for preaching loss of salvation and his KJVO stance. He occasionally mentions one of these, but they are not sermon topics at church. The main reasons my wife and I attend there is that it is a gospel preaching church, and the folks who attend form one extremely loving and caring congregation. Because things we do not agree with are not major issues there, we continue to attend. When and if those things become major issues we will go elsewhere, I am sure.

    And now, back to our topic...

    :wavey: :godisgood: :)
     
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  10. Ed Edwards

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    AVBunyan: // I have found over the years that most
    folks that believe they can lose it also hold to the modern versions.//

    My polls show no relationship between MV use and people believing
    they can loose their salvation. KJVs users are both
    OSAS and Free Willers. MVs users are both OSAS
    and Free Willers.

    I did find a correlation between those who think that
    Christ's Body must go through the full Tribulation Period
    and think people can loose their salvation.
    More OSASers are pretribulation Rapture;
    more Free Willers are postribulation Rapture.
    (It isn't a 100% correlation, of course).
     
  11. AVBunyan

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    You have your polls and I have my past 24 years of dealing with these issues and people directly in and outside forums - thank you
     
  12. Keith M

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    Thanks for not jumping to conclusions about other folks' beliefs just because of a church name in their profile, Ed. Conclusions based on a church name can often be wrong as has been demonstrated.
     
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