1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

KJVO Lies

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by DeclareHim, Jul 24, 2004.

  1. DeclareHim

    DeclareHim New Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2004
    Messages:
    1,062
    Ratings:
    +0
    In the article that I copied before Al says that ALL ALL ALL MV's use the Westcott and Hort Greek text this is a sentiment I have heard many KJVO people say this is a LIE. There are many MV'S that don't use Westcott and Hort Greek NT text. [​IMG]
     
  2. Taufgesinnter

    Taufgesinnter New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2003
    Messages:
    1,135
    Ratings:
    +0
    Of course. Very few use Westcott & Hort's text--practically none. It's been superseded by fresher manuscript discoveries accumulating over a century.
     
  3. Askjo

    Askjo New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2003
    Messages:
    3,736
    Ratings:
    +0
    1. Eclectic texts followed UBS and Nestle/Aland texts.

    2. UBS followed Nestle/Aland text.

    3. Nestle/Aland text followed Nestle text.

    4. Nestle text followed the W/H text.

    These 4 Greek texts are gone back to the W/H text.

    TEV, NIV and JB followed Eclectic text gone back to the W/H text.

    LB and NASB followed ASV. ASV followed RV. RV followed the W/H text.

    The JW Bible followed the W/H text.

    Modern versions and the cult JW bible are gone back to the W/H text.
     
  4. Craigbythesea

    Craigbythesea Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    5,500
    Ratings:
    +43
    Dear Askjo,

    Can you please explain to me what you mean in this post? I don't understand it at all.
     
  5. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    26,806
    Ratings:
    +127
    I think the point of Askjo's thread was that they MVs can be traced, indirectly possibly, back to W/H.
     
  6. Ed Edwards

    Ed Edwards <img src=/Ed.gif>

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2002
    Messages:
    15,715
    Ratings:
    +0
    Amen, Brother DeclareHim -- Preach it.

    Already we have a KJVO condemning the
    non-Westcott/Hort translations along
    with the Westcott/Hort translations.

    What is really wierd is over on the Chick
    Comic pages when they condemn the
    KJV1611 and KJV1873
    in praise of the KJV1769.
    I wonder if the KJV1873 was 'contaminated'
    by Hort/Westcott?

    [​IMG]
     
  7. HankD

    HankD Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2001
    Messages:
    16,416
    Ratings:
    +1,323
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Just as there are many "TR"'s which follow the Byzantine text types and have differences, there are many "eclectic" texts which follow the Alexandrian text types (particularly Aleph and B) and have differences.

    When askjo says a W&H Bible I'll second-guess him and say that he means a Bible which follows the W&H theory (roughly-older reading best, shorter best, more difficult best, Aleph/B), but not necessarily the text that they themselves produced in accord with that theory).

    Generally speaking, the Burgon theory weighs the Traditional Text and Church Fathers over "oldest".

    All MV's (in my experience) are a combination of both text types unless they are specifically noted as TR types such as the NKJV.

    This is my understanding and yes, this is a bit of an over simplification.

    HankD
     
  8. Ransom

    Ransom Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2000
    Messages:
    4,132
    Ratings:
    +0
    Craigbythesea asked:

    Can you please explain to me what you mean in this post? I don't understand it at all.

    He means that if you let the KJV-onlyists define what the "W/H text" is, then all modern Bible versions use the "W/H text."

    Or, put another way, the KJV-only inmates are demanding to run the asylum again.
     
  9. DeclareHim

    DeclareHim New Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2004
    Messages:
    1,062
    Ratings:
    +0
    Sure most MV's are translated from Alexandrian texts. KJVO say that ALL Alexandrian mss are W/H text why? Because W/H was an Alexandrian mss. Pure hypocrisy.
     
  10. Askjo

    Askjo New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2003
    Messages:
    3,736
    Ratings:
    +0
    Modern versions derived from the W/H text. The W/H text derived from Alexandrian mss.
     
  11. gb93433

    gb93433 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2003
    Messages:
    15,499
    Ratings:
    +10
    Man are you outdated. I was never taught such nonsense.
     
  12. Lacy Evans

    Lacy Evans New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2003
    Messages:
    2,364
    Ratings:
    +0
    I personally am interested in knowing which MV was not influenced by Westcott & Hort's Text. Could somebody clue me in?

    Lacy
     
  13. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    26,806
    Ratings:
    +127
    You have brought a measure of logic back into the argument Bro Lacy - the key here is your word "influence" as opposed the the previous phrase used "based on" or "derived from."
     
  14. HankD

    HankD Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2001
    Messages:
    16,416
    Ratings:
    +1,323
    Faith:
    Baptist
    It's semantics.

    HankD
     
  15. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    26,806
    Ratings:
    +127
    Don't think so Hank.

    I am sure that not all MV are based on WH, but am pretty sure all have been influenced by WH.
     
  16. Anti-Alexandrian

    Anti-Alexandrian New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    764
    Ratings:
    +0
    According to this statement they can:


     
  17. HankD

    HankD Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2001
    Messages:
    16,416
    Ratings:
    +1,323
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I already said the first part of this statement, the NKJV, and the KJV21 for another.

    Also I was referring to the difference between the words "influenced by" and "derived from" as being "semantics".

    The differences between the accepted texts (TR,W&H) when all the shouting is over is about 3% of the mass of words in the original lauguage texts.

    In addition new discoveries such as the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Papyri (especially 66 and 75) have dilluted the issue by showing that examples of both types of readings existed prior to Aleph and B.

    HankD
     
  18. gb93433

    gb93433 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2003
    Messages:
    15,499
    Ratings:
    +10
    Which one of the 35 TR texts do the KJVO's trace their KJV back to?
     
  19. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    26,806
    Ratings:
    +127
    gb,

    Don't ask me - I was just clarifying askjo's point ;)
     
  20. Askjo

    Askjo New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2003
    Messages:
    3,736
    Ratings:
    +0
    According to this statement they can:


    </font>[/QUOTE]Absolutely yes! [​IMG]
     
Loading...