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Kurdistan in Iraq

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by christianyouth, Nov 14, 2008.

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  1. christianyouth

    christianyouth New Member

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    Hey guys,

    I was able to talk to a Christian man from Kurdistan today... Wow, it was very interesting. He says that because of Bush they have some type of goverment for this group, and he is glad that Saddam is out of power because of the crimes he committed against these Kurdish Christians, but he fears that as soon as America pulls out, the Kurds will be persecuted again from Turkey, Iran, and Iraq.

    He says that the Kurds are persecuted because of their ethnicity, but also because a lot of them are Christian. I just feel bad, this is a very persecuted group.

    He says that in Kurdistan there is a LOT of oil. He said that when Christians were persecuted in Iraq, non-Kurdish Christians, a lot of Kurds bought the Christians homes, etc.

    So I'm just wondering what are your guyses thoughts on this political situation? I don't know of many articles or have much info on this other than what this man said. Do you guys have any views on the situation of the Kurds in Iraq? Because of the Muslim population, will the Kurds be destined for persecution? Will they be able to have some sort of tolerance in Iraq, perhaps by adopting a more moderate Muslim faith?

    What do you guys think?
     
    #1 christianyouth, Nov 14, 2008
  2. JustChristian

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    I think that eventually Iraq will be divided into areas (countries?) for the Kurds, the Sunni's, and the Shiites. I believe that will happen whether we leave next year or in 5 years. These people aren't accustomed or maybe aren't able to govern themselves and they are driven by ethnic hatred. Only another dictator could hold together the current population of Iraq. There's a chance that the Shiites will become part of Iran and the Kurds part of Turkey leaving what's left of Iraq for the Sunni's.
     
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  3. Enoch

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    Ah yes...the Biden partition plan.
     
    #3 Enoch, Nov 14, 2008
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    All I know from reading reports from the Internet is that Christians have fled Iraq by the thousands since the US invaded, many of them to Syria and Jordan. Unfortunately, when we helped create an official islamic state, we ruined it for the Christians there. Yet, people are still coming to Christ, albeit paying a terrible price, many of them threatened for leaving islam and being killed. The Kurdish people have also persecuted Christians, even though there are a lot of Christians in the Kurdish area. The whole situation is terrible, whether the US is there or not. I do believe there will be a civil war there, once we are gone, a blood bath, ethnic groups fighting ethnic groups and it will eventually be divided into 3 regions, Kurdish, Shiite, and Sunni.

    http://www.christiansofiraq.com/

    The Kurds do not want to be a part of Turkey, however, from what I understand, they want to be autonomous. Shiites will absorb into Iran and the Sunni will be the future Iraq, IMO.

    I just heard reports where some Iraqi military murdered a few of our troops (turned on them in a fire fight) and I hope when we start pulling out and there are less boots on the ground more of the same does not happen. :(
     
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  5. christianyouth

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    Right LadyEagle, this Kurdish man actually feared persecution by Turkey due to the high Muslim population.

    On the whole though, it's not that we have created a Muslim state. It's not as if Iraq was tolerant, and then we came in and made them intolerant. It sounded like that is what you were saying.

    But I also will say that a lot of the predictions by people like Biden and others may be true, Iraq may not be able to hold together a democracy... We'll have to watch and pray. If there can be a secularized democracy set up, then missionary opportunities would open up for the spread of the Gospel... Even if it was a bad war(as most people agree in hindsight, it was), God may still use it for his purposes on the earth.
     
    #5 christianyouth, Nov 14, 2008
  6. Crabtownboy

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    The Kurdish area of Iraq borders Turkey and Saddam did commit many crimes against them. The Kurds have suffered greatly from both the Sunni and the Shei for a thousand years or more. Of course they have caused their own damage to the other two groups.

    When we pull out of Iraq the Moslems, both Sunni and Shei, will go after the Kurds again. Right now they are jocking for power in S. Iraq. It is likely that the Turks will invade northern Iraq and the Kurds once we pull out. The Turks fear that the Kurds living in Turkey will join the Iraqi Kurda and fight for an independent Kurdistan, part of which would come from Turkish soil

     
    #6 Crabtownboy, Nov 15, 2008
  7. christianyouth

    christianyouth New Member

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    Biden's plan would be good... A Kurdish state seems to be a good idea, with a military and UN backing(in case of Iraqi or Turkish aggression).

    Thanks for the info, Crabtowncowboy :)
     
    #7 christianyouth, Nov 15, 2008
  8. JustChristian

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    No. It's not a plan. It's my guess as to what will result from this war.
     
    #8 JustChristian, Nov 15, 2008
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    Don Well-Known Member
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    To ChristianYouth, and BaptistBeliever - you nailed it. The main problem with the splitting of Iraq will be exactly as ChristianYouth and CrabTownBoy stated: The Turks will not allow Turkish territory to be used for a new Kurdish nation, especially one that might be more Christian than Muslim.

    So let me ask y'all: What does the U.S. do at that point? Do we assist the Kurds? How do we do that?
     
    #9 Don, Nov 15, 2008
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    Presumably we're assisting the Kurds right now, correct?
     
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  11. christianyouth

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    Don, I really am not too qualified because there is a ton of information, as a civilian, that I can't have access to. I don't know what would happen if a Kurdish state was created, or if we got involved to protect them. My humanitarian instincts say that we, along with the UN(as useless as it often is) should pledge to defend the Kurds if they are attacked by a government. But I don't know the political rammifications of that. We tried to do something much similar in the Vietnam war, and it turned out disastrously.

    And trade embargoing with the ME is not much of an option since they are the ones who have most of the oil... Otherwise I would say placing trade embargoes on them when they start acting like Muslims, lol.
     
    #11 christianyouth, Nov 15, 2008
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    Not likely since Turkey is a member of NATO.
     
    #12 LadyEagle, Nov 16, 2008
  13. billwald

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    Make the partition right now before we pull out. The big problem would be Turkey, not Iraq. The Turks don't want a Kurdistan. The Turks should cede land to the Kurds before they are admitted to the EU.
     
    #13 billwald, Nov 16, 2008
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