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Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Brother Adam, Jul 20, 2003.

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  1. Brother Adam

    Brother Adam New Member

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    Gina asked me what is wrong with the LDS Church.

    Here are some excepts from their Articles of Faith.

    2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.

    8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

    Also:

    I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a seperate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370)

    And they went down at the beginning and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and earth. (Pearl of Great Price, Book of Abraham 4:1)

    Among the spirit children of Elohim, the first-born was and is Jehovah, or Jesus Christ, to whom all others are juniors. (Gospel Doctrine, p. 70; D&C 93:21-22)

    The birth of the Savior was a natural occurrence unattended with any degree of mysticism, and the Father God was the literal parent of Jesus in the flesh...as well as in the spirit. (Religious Truths p. 44)

    See also, Doctrines of Salvation p. 130 (his suffering was not on the cross, but in the Garden)
    D&C 107, 132:4, 84:40,41, 130:3, 121:46, 121:26.

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    #1 Brother Adam, Jul 20, 2003
  2. Gina B

    Gina B Active Member

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    LOL! Why, thanks!
    Main point of the question was to ask if you consider them part of Christianity, another denom we should strive to have more understanding with and accept as brothers and sisters in Christ? Should we quit assuming most of them are unsaved?
    Gina
     
    #2 Gina B, Jul 20, 2003
  3. Helen

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    Gina, their god was once a man. This is not the God of the Bible. That is enought to declare them unsaved. The man they call Jesus is NOT the Jesus of the Bible.

    Now, if there are any Mormons who put more faith in the Jesus of the Bible than in Mormon teachings, God bless them! Anyone who wants the truth He will lead to the true Jesus.

    So God judges the heart and we cannot. But if I can put it this way, Mormon doctrine leads away from Christ, the only Savior, not to Him.
     
    #3 Helen, Jul 20, 2003
  4. Artimaeus

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    Helen, I agree but, that begs off the question, "Should we quit assuming most of them are unsaved?". I say, "No". It is correct to assume that most of them are not saved. Since Mormonism is a false religion, it is safe to assume that a VAST majority of them are not saved. It is only admitting to the extreme unlikely POSSIBILITY that someone is a Mormon in name only but has come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and still be a part of that organization.
     
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  5. Helen

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    I agree. Didn't mean to imply anything else... [​IMG]
     
    #5 Helen, Jul 20, 2003
  6. John Wells

    John Wells New Member

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    Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)

    To those standing in Jesus' presence when He spoke these words, the "I am" left no doubt that Jesus claimed to be God. Not only is the "I am" the only way of salvation, but it requires belief (to the point of surrendership) that Jesus is that "I am" come in the flesh!

    "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." (Deut. 6:4)

    Scripture convicts Mormonism of its heresy on the two most critical points of all: God is one, not three gods, and Jesus is God come in the flesh, not some being God created by having sex with Mary. I would say that any person who denies these central Christian truths is not in "The Way" that John 14:6 speaks of! ;)
     
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  7. ColoradoFB

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    I would think that Mormonism in general is far outside mainstream Christian philosophy, for reasons already mentioned, as well as proxy baptism. Their belief in the saving power of baptism, as well as proxy baptism, is not mainstream. Their view of Celestial, Terrestrial and Telestial tiers to heaven is not mainstream. The prophecies of Joseph Smith that proved to be false regarding civilizations of moon dwellers, would put him in the category of a false prophet. The fact that the BOM has been demonstrated to be largely plagiarized from a novel by someone named Spaulding puts it in question. The idea that American Indians were Jews who migrated in prehistoric submarines is just plain wacky!
     
    #7 ColoradoFB, Jul 20, 2003
  8. Artimaeus

    Artimaeus Active Member

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    But, it does sound like a good movie-of-the-week.
    :D
    I can see it now...starring Moshe "Black Feather" Cohen.
     
    #8 Artimaeus, Jul 20, 2003
  9. Gina B

    Gina B Active Member

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    Thanks Helen and others. I was in the LDS church before, so I'm familiar with the false doctrine they teach. I asked Adam simply to see what his reply would be, how far he takes the concept of accepting differing doctrine and considering it all of Christ.
    Gina
     
    #9 Gina B, Jul 20, 2003
  10. ColoradoFB

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    Art, I think you are onto something! Write a script or teleplay! [​IMG]

    Can't you just see this in TV Guide?


    8:00 PM [9]"The Hunt for Redman October"
    Renegade Jews leave their homeland in a stolen submarine to try for a fresh start in America. Watch as they change race and build cliff dwellings and teepees. (Color / PG-13)
     
    #10 ColoradoFB, Jul 20, 2003
  11. Brother Adam

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    There is a huge difference between respecting and understanding your neighbors faith and accepting it. If I ever say anything about Mormons that you know is a flat out lie (or wrong in any case), please correct me.
     
    #11 Brother Adam, Jul 20, 2003
  12. Gina B

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    No, I wanna see the sequel. A battle so fierce no trace of anyone OR anything is left!
    Gina
     
    #12 Gina B, Jul 20, 2003
  13. Mitsy

    Mitsy New Member

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    Since I have some friends and a few family members in this faith, I've done some research on the LDS faith as well as many others. The "roots" of Mormonism are all about Joseph--not about Christ.

    Below is one of many web sites devoted to the myth of Mormonism.

    http://www.exmormon.org/
     
    #13 Mitsy, Jul 23, 2003
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