left/right?

Actually, God devoted a LOT to fire and brimstone. A person has to realized they have sinned and have no hope of ever getting to Heaven unless they accept the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ. Read Spurgeon - if a person doesn't understand the law, they will never understand WHY they need salvation.

Debbie Mc

 

While I accept these definitions, the gospel cuts across them both - neither is any "more Christian" than the other.

Many of the posters on this board are Americans - I am not. They were raised in America, steeped in American values. And those of us raised in other cultures are in the same boat - we are steeped in our own "cultural" values.

So the problem for the Christian in any society is this: be sure that what you think are Christian values really are such, and not cultural values that are, in fact, at odds with the gospel.

So the conservative-liberal divide is not the gospel - non-gospel divide.

In the US, evangelicals tend to line up as follows:

- pro-capitalism
- anti pervasive government
- pro-gun (now that is real mystery to all of us outside the US)
- anti-abortion
- anti same sex marriage
- anti universal health care
- pro personal moral responsibility
- pro Iraq ware
- anti "wealth re-distribution" through taxation.

This is just a list I came up with off the top of my head. You are free to challenge me on it.

The problem is that while some of these positions clearly line up with the kingdom of God values, others really do not. A Christian should be anti-abortion and anti same sex marriage. But, they should also be opposed to the invasion of another sovereign state and they should support universal health care - the hallmark of a humane society. And they certainly should also be working for the disarmament of the citizen.

In addition, the Christian should not buy into the church-state divide - that is an enlightenment idea, not a scriptural one. Jesus has been enthroned as lord of the entire world and the church is called to implement his kingdom values in all human institutions, including government.

This is why it is so incoherent to hear Christians argue for giving to the poor on the one hand, and yet resist the enshrinement of that principle into government (i.e. through taxing the rich to give to the poor).

 

Still waiting for you to either prove these accusations with clear quotes and links to posts here on the BB, or for you to retract these false and unsubstanciated claims against your brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

In MA 7:13. I don't understand the question.

 

Wow. Seems like it might be a better idea to scare people into Salvation like the old fire and brimstone sermons, than to appease them into being lost for eternity. I don't like to think of anyone going to hell, do you?

 

Still waiting for links to those comments from members here. This has been requested from you multiple times on this thread. If you cannot provide them, are you going to retract these statements? An apology to your fellow BB members would seem to be in order.

 

This wasn't a question it was a Statement.

 

Still waiting on that post that will either provide clear quotes and links that back up LeBuick's accusations or a retraction.

 

This is a great example of how insulting people by calling then Fascists or Marxists or baby killers completely destroys your influence. It has also hurt the church immeasurably due to its seemingly irrevocable contract with the Republican party.

 

Just as a Christian should never be ashamed to say I voted to feed the hungry, to give hope to the hopeless, to bring a respectable level of living to the down trodden of our society. So I agree, none of us should be ashamed of our vote.

 

Sorry, was in a last minute revival this week so wasn't around. Did I miss responding to something?

If this is what you wrote in the other thread, there has been many posters here who said sinners are kicked out of their Churches. If you're not one of them, then I wasn't speaking about you.

 

I Agree but the problem is If you say you didn't VOTE for Obama your AUTOMATICALLY called a "Raciest"

And now anyone doesn't Agree with what he say's he'll change or we don't like what he has to offer us (Politically speaking) we are now being persecuted (at least where I live)

 

How does your persecution manifest itself?

 

You go to church tomorrow and say you don't believe in God and that the Bible is a Lie of doesn't speak to how you think you or anyone else live there lives and see how you feel. Oh maybe you should also put your place as the pastor of the church so you'll also loose your job.

That's how we who didn't VOTE for Obama where I live feel. And are being treated. Name calling, Cold shoulders, Losing jobs and friends to the point that you don't even say anything against Obama in fear.



My husband wasn't at work on Wednesday but a co worker needs to do some of his work on his Computer and she read his E mail's and forwarded one on to herself it was a meaning less joke (have there not been HUNDREDS about BUSH / CHANEY?) And she forward it to there boss. Now my husband won't be "in trouble" because it was only Sent to him but it was from someone else at work. Wonder if that person will lose there job like my friend did?

 

Hey CK4

Tell me how I got an message saying you left a reply to this Thread reading
"Boy, that is tough. That's REAL persecution." by CK4
But I can't find it?

 

I saw it........:thumbs:

 

So where did it go? Anybody got any clues?