Legalism

Intentionally misrepresenting the SBC in order to promote IFBs is common among SOME of the IFBs.

At least that has been my experience...

They may be against women wearing pants...
But they break the commandment about bearing false witness, then pat themselves on the back because at least they will be under hell fire and brimestone preaching on Superbowl Sunday!

I hope they pay attention, instead of playing dress up!

 

Thank you , Tim, from your SBC brother. I'm still trying to find out who dragged the SBC into this anyway. Must have been one of those "deleted" posts...

 

Hi, I'm new here and hope to make many friends.

I sorta scratched over the surface of this thread and think there may be some things that need be said.

God makes the rules and expects our obedience. God is not a legalist.

God also calls a man to take the watch-care over a flock as the overseer or pastor. This does not make this man a judge, but one who recommends adherence to what God commands so as to avoid just recompence for one's disobedience to God. This man does this by preaching God's word and even sometimes has to deal with specifics when prompted by God.

This does not make this man a legalist either.

I know some pastors might tend to "micro-manage" their flock and this would merit the title of being a "legalist"

Thanks for letting me join.

 

Welcome, Paul!

 

Hi Tiny Tim, I don't want to sound abrasive, but it seems you might have some less than nice interchanges with IFB, (I can only think you mean Independent Fundamental Baptist), sorry is that's true.

My concern is that what you said might give some one the idea that by separating from the world's influences one would become a legalist when they speak their desire to be less like the world and separated to the Lord as to make that distinction by their dress.

I think if they are paying close enough attention they would then see the need to be a peculiar sight in the yeyes of the world rather than being just like them.

What will the churches do during the beer ads and the prostate commericals?

 

I didn't realize watching a beer commercial, or a prostate commercial, was a sin.

 

Aaron is right in his definition.
Holiness and legalism are often confused.
Many churches have what they believe to be higher standards: a higher dress standard (modest skirts), a higher music standard (traditional hymns), etc. To them it is a matter of holiness, drawing closer to the Lord, obedience to the Lord in all things, and never a matter of legalism. If you label that as legalism it is a false allegation. For it has nothing to do with their salvation.

There is no Baptist that I know of on this board that would say: If you don't wear skirts or dresses then you aren't saved. That would be legalism. Study the Book of Galatians. Paul deals with legalism there. The legalistic Jews were demanding that the law and circumcision be required for salvation. No one here, like the Judaizers requires their standards as a requirement for salvation. Therefore legalism is a false allegation. Legalism is always associated with salvation; not with the Christian walk.

 

What can you do to make God love you more?

 

Nothing, There is no one in this world that God loves any more than you.
However, there may be many things that you can do that would please God.

 

Nothing. God never loved you any more, and will never love you any less, than He does right now.

 

I don't recall the SBC being mentioned until Tim brought it into the discussion. Not once. I looked, and there is no reference to SBC churches in this thread until Tim posted it in huge letters and got sarcastic and rude.

I do see insults being hurled at your baptist brothers and sisters who choose Independent Fundamental churches. May I quote -

Tiny Tim said :
I too was raised in nutcase fundamental dysfunctional churches..

I have NEVER heard someone who calls themselves a Pastor talk like this about another Baptist church in my 57 tears of life. I am shocked and sad.

 

I guess you have no problems bearing false witness against me...

Repent from your lies.
YOu said you looked.. well look again...
I did not mention SBC until post 41. LOOK.
But sag38 mentioned it in post 39. LOOK!
And Trotter mentioned it in post 40 LOOK!

Now I know I am not IFB... and in the IFB world, 39 and 40 may come after 41.. .but in reality.. 41 comes later....

So please retract your lie!

And as for my being raised in an IFB dysfunctional church.. who are you to say I wasn't!.. I WAS..

They were so stuck on the outside appearance, but didn't have their insides cleaned.. or the powerstruggles would never have happened!

NOW... That may surprise you that a pastor will speak the truth! Don't know where you have been, or who you have set under.. .but I am speaking the truth here...

Every IFB church I was raised in was dysfunctional.. and there was nothing but power struggles.. and people looking down their long self righteous noses at others that didn't LOOK as holy as they thought they should..

I remember a sinner walking in one time.. with his hat on.. and a deacon went back and toook it off of him!...
I remember hearing a deacon of an IFB church state that even if his nephew was starving, he would feed steak to his dogs before he would give it to him... but all the same time went on and on about men with long hair..
I remember 2 deacons picking up a pastor and throwing him into the Choir loft in a church takeover ... but those deacons made sure their wives wore dresses.. because after all it was a sin not too...

UNTIL you have seen what I have seen in IFB churches.. you don't have a right to criticize my observations...

NOW I expect an apology for your lies about my posts.

 

This thread is starting to get sad to read. I really hate to see such hurtful back and forth.

 

Yeah, Steven I guess I have contributed to it... so I will let this thread go.. I just don't like it when people tell tales on me... as I am sure you don't either. But I will let this thread go...

Sorry I got involved again...

 

I get the impression that if I said, "Scarlett, you are sinning when wearing trousers instead of skirts," that you might call me a legalist. I may even believe that you should be churched for it. But that's not legalism.

I just want to be clear.

 

Tim, I didn't LIE about you, I stand corrected that yes, you were the 3rd person to talk about SBC, but I NEVER MENTIONED SBC. So I owe no one an apology, unlike someone who was making fun of my choice of churches and calling my Baptist church a nutcase.

I never told anyone they couldn't wear pants instead of a dress. I said IT'S NOT FOR ME. What you wear has nothing to do with your salvation, of course I know that. I stated that all this was MY conviction. Everyone else in here ripped me apart as if I directed each comment to them personally. In the churches I have belonged to, never once has someone been turned away for mode of dress. I never directed my comments at any particular person or church. THAT is why I said "If the shoe fits" - and mentioned jealousy (of knowledge) as a possible reason for all the ruffled feathers, since I never once said "YOU CAN'T DO......." or "YOU CAN'T WEAR........."

I wanted to get all that clear before I exit this thread. I will pray for the people involved, especially those who preach the Gospel and have a mindset of hating fellow Christians/Baptists.

 

Hi John. I might ask if one who drinks beer a sinner? Then do beer drinkers sin more than nondrinkers? Aren't beer ads enticements by sinners to indulge in something that alters judgement and then would cause a guy to sin more readily?

"IF SINNERS ENTICE THEE, CONSENT THOU NOT" comes my mind.

 

Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.