Legislating the 4th Commandment

You are missing the distinction between the moral and ceremonial laws of God.

The NT also tells us that the State bears the sword to execute God's wrath, that's not just an OT idea.

Mat 5:17-19
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Then Jesus goes on to speak of particular commands found in the OT 10 commandments.

 

It doesn't matter. As Christians, we are not bound by either one, only the NT commandments.

love,

Sopranette

 

Saying that you are not bound by the moral laws of God makes you an antinomian.

I guess you would like to throw out the OT.

We are still bound to God's moral commands as found in the 10 commandments, i am astounded that a Christian can even say that they are not....that means that now you can murder, create idols, steal, etc. etc.
Unless you pick and choose which of God's moral commands you follow.

Can you site a Bible passage that says we are not bound to be moral in the NT?

 

The ten commandments are still in the NT, as well as love thy neighbor as thyself, as stated in Romans 13. Killing rebellious children is not.

love,

Sopranette

 

Are you for capital punishment in the case of murderers?
Is that in the NT anywhere?

The NT was not written to show the State how to enforce God's moral commands, it was written as an instruction to the Church. The OT already has God's judgment concerning the punishment in such cases.

Is the God of the OT different from the God of the NT?

Didn't God say that the punishment for rebellious children was death?
Are you suggesting that God changed His mind? Perhaps He was a bit more grumpy in the OT?

 

Okay, well, good luck with that. I have some errands to run now...

love,

Sopranette

 

Well, since many of the laws discuss slaves, then slavery must be OK, by your logic.

 

You misrepresent my logic.

God has told us what His moral commands are and they are summed up in the 10 commandments (to which slavery is absent).

God has told us what He judges to be the appropriate punishment for breaking His moral commands, which i am in agreement with.

Many continue blurring the lines between God's moral commands and other things (like slavery)...and the lines between the Church and the State.

 

GE

Absolutely. In the OT the different laws - all of them, 'moral' and 'ceremonial' - were summed up thus: Love God above all and you neighbour as yourself. In the NT all the Laws, all 'sacramental/mystical', all the 'moral', all the 'Love'-laws, are summed up, thus: Jesus Christ! No law has been lost or abandoned or abrogated: They are all found in Christ, and Christ is all of them in the One and Living Word of God.

 

Bound to Christ with the 'fetters' of Love, we believe, love, and run after each and every Law that has gone out of the Mouth of God, for there is no distinction between God, the Mouth of God, or the Word of the Mouth of God, or the Will of God under, behind, above and in front of every Word of His.

 

"Didn't God say that the punishment for rebellious children was death?
Are you suggesting that God changed His mind? Perhaps He was a bit more grumpy in the OT?"

GE
It depends ... Our age, the age of Christ is so called for the full wrath of God poured out upon His only-begotten Son. His full vengeance, indistinguishable of His fullest bestowment of love and mercy.
My answer? For what it is worth: Incomprehensible merciful and loving Father!

 

Licence to sin? The asker is a fool!

 

Then why punish murderers?

Even in the NT the State is to use the sword to execute God's wrath (Rom 13:4)

 

I'd have no problem with moral sins being capital offenses. Romans 13:4 :saint:

 

Only 8 1/2 of the commandments are repeated to NT Christians. The sabbath is not required at all [Romans 14:5-6; Colossians 2:16]; and for the second, it is not commanded to never "make any likeness of anythng." If it is, then we violate that with photography, engineering drawings, computer icons, among many other things. But the command to not worhsip idols is repeated, and expounded to mean to not "love the good things of this world."

If you want to keep your OT approach to the decalogue, then go ahead and refuse to light a fire (or turn on a burner or light switch) on the seventh day, but go ahead and love money-- just don't steal or covet anybody else's.

 

Great points....

I will be getting a large multi-post together concerning your SDA beliefs...I hope that you will reply to it... I am very interested in lerning more form you...

Thanks...