Let's discuss purgatory

From some of the comments in this thread, it looks like Baptist churches are really dropping the ball when it comes to teaching doctrine.

I find that really disappointing.

 

I'm not a Baptist...

 

See, unfortunately you think I believe in Purgatory. I don't which I've explained. I'm just debating you because you're not debating what Catholics actually believe about purgatory rather your debating what you believe they believe. You purposely leave out the 2 consequences of sins that Catholics look at when discussing purgatory.

This is what I believe. Purgatory is speculative theology. Much charged against catholics are speculative in nature. There is a reason the Orthodox and Copts don't hold to these doctrines. I don't buy into Purgatory. I believe to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord and to be present with the lord automatically dispences with all things that are related to sin like a light shining in the room. The Darkness flees and we have all eternity to mature in the light. However, since I debate Catholics all the time I have an inkling as to what they believe and what they do not believe. And its kind of irritating when I see the same old charges that have been dealt with repeated ad infinitum. If you want to deal with purgatory in a catholic debate you must start with the definitions. Sin and the Consequences of sin. Understand their definition of Sanctification and Justifaction are different. Then build the argument rather than take pot shots at aspects that don't necissarily flow. Every wonder why Lori4dogs keeps defending by saying "I don't believe that"? Yet you insist. Build your argument.

 

JDF can't...he doesn't know how to think...only told what to think...there's a difference...

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That's a relief but, unfortunately, there are still some Baptists here who are as ignorant about basic Christian doctrines as you are.

 

I'm not going to sink to your level, but I really do think it's unfortunate that you choose to represent your religion by engaging in such childish personal attacks.

 

LOL!!!!...and you just refered to Matt Black as "ignorant" in your number 305 post above...get a life.

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I was going to say the same: surely the JohnDeereFan who posted:

cannot be the same JohnDeereFan who posted

"Kettle? I've got the pot for you on line 3. Says you're black..."

 

No, I'm debating the difference between what the Catholic Church states in it's official documents and what the Bible teaches.

Yes, I leave out all irrelevant details.

You call it "speculative theology", the Bible calls it damnable heresy.

No, I don't wonder and, frankly, I don't care. I've quoted the catechism verbatem and in content, as well as the Council of Trent, verbatem and in context.

Whether she agrees with them is up to her. I'm not debating her personal beliefs, but what the Catholic Church has declared that they believe.

Unfortunately, you and JohnV and Agnus Dei and Matt Black are so devoid of any rational argument and so ignorant of the most basic of Christian doctrines, that all you can do is to call me a liar and tell me that tha Catholic Church isn't qualified to state what they believe if it contradicts your heretical ideologies.

Do you know who Karl Keating is? Keating is a Catholic apologist. He's very respected among followers of that religion.

But, of course, you know what Catholicism teaches better than Karl Keating, too.

Here is another statement from a Catholic blog:

Notice that, not only does it say that Purgatory is for the expiation of sins, but compounds that heresy by teaching works-righteousness in this life, as well.

Here is the text of a homily delivered by a Catholic priest and posted on a Catholic website:

How about the Catholic Encyclopedia? Would that be Catholic enough for you?

 

I'm sorry you feel that way, but if someone doesn't know doctrine, then it's not an attack to say that they don't know doctrine.

 

Yes I did. What's the problem with that? He's shown that he is ignorant of basic Christian doctrines.

 

come on guys stop the accusations. Debate friendly like please. Thank you.

 

Oh, I know Christian doctrine; I just disagree with your version of it

 

Evidently, you don't. And it isn't "my version".

 

So, who died and appointed you the Protestant Pope, then?

 

Time to shut this one down, and probably a good thing too.