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Let's see SCRIPTURAL authority for popes, cardinals, etc.

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by robycop3, Aug 10, 2019.

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  1. OfLivingWaters

    OfLivingWaters Active Member

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    Well that is defiance of a truth that has been clearly pointed out with scripture. Is Timothy a liar?

    2Tim.3 Verses 16 to 17
    [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

    Profitable for doctrine=making, and all the rest. Doesn't this sound like that is what (all) scripture is for? Of course one needs to be guided along by the Holy Spirit to understand God's words. But really is there some other doctrine built before or outside of this written Word that I should know about? What is our faith based on? Did (your) gentile church "fathers" receive the Word or was it to the Jew first?
     
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    I don't know why you think that is a good argument. It's not. Further, how many time throughout history have you Cathy's had a Pope that made a decree, as if it was from God, only later to have it changed by another Pope years down the road. Honestly you guys make stuff up, (tradition), just like the pharisees did back in the day.
     
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    You have a point.
     
  4. robycop3

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    There were some signs & miracles done by a few others besides the apostles at that time, including the 70 disciples besides the apostles appointed by Jesus Himself, and, of course, Stephen. After them, there were few miracles, same as today,where there are still some miraculous healings, among others.. But there's no succession of miracle workers!
     
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    Still full of pentecostal baloney. I hope you chuck it before you pass on.

    MAYBE you'd survive a snake pit; maybe NOT, if God decides your life as a mortal is through. And you stand as much chance of getting bitten if you DELIBERATELY pick up a poisonous snake as anyone else. I live just 35 miles from the snake-handler capital of the world, Jolo, WV.

    On the temple roof, Jesus reminded Satan, who'd asked Him to jump off, that one does not deliberately DARE God.
     
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    What are you talking about?
     
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    Oh, REALLY? Aint seen any Scripture yet for the office of pope or cardinal, nor for apostolic succession.
     
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    I didn't stutter.
     
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    Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
     
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    "But really is there some other doctrine built before or outside of this written Word that I should know about?"

    Absolutely a Church that can tell you WHAT IS SCRIPTURE in the first place. There is a guy out there that says well that means the QUARAN is holy scripture, the book of mormon is holy scripture. There is no inspired table of contents.

    The ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY reason you identify any book at all as the bible is SOMEONE TOLD YOU SO.

    Let me put you a library of thousands of works and lets watch the holy spirit aid you in selecting the scripture ignoring the fakes the ones that switch a verse here and there.

    You were SPOON FED what IS the bible.

    Its not by circular reasoning.....oh of course I got the right bible and know what books belong it says right here in my bible.....That is NONSENSE.


    There is lineage of scripture pointed out by a lineage of TEACHER to STUDENT.

    Who put that book in your hand first and what faith were they.
     
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    Because its a fake rule not written in scripture. Simple as that. Show me the verse....

    If its unbiblical, then tell the truth for once and say that then.

    It is neither taught explicitly or implicitly.

    You are insisting the FALSE DOCTRINE that for something to be officially christian rule it must be in scripture. WELL where is THIS rule in scripture?

    Its not there. It was a LIE to sucker the ignorant into division.
     
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    Thank you!
    but a simple "I, Robycop, wuz wrong" would have sufficed.
     
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    And who put those writings in their hands? Last I knew there was a Counsel which convened and men brought the scriptures to the table. No one is denying what the RCC has done. But it is disingenuous to say no one would have their bibles without them. What is most correct to say is they made scripture available (after some time ) to the Western world. And further that was because their arch-nemesis Luther, took advantage of the printing press because he felt that each man should have his or her own bible. So the RCC stepped up to out do him. And the Harlot , like any Harlot was used to spread seed. Who am I to question God. But in any event, the RCC didn't write the scriptures they , compiled what was already out there and had men with respect to their knowledge of language translate it into Latin . And those works were not available for centuries . At one time one could only be privy to them by joining the fraternity.
     
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    "This has been explained once, but I'll let someone do it who can word it much-better than I.
    John 20:23 appears to give the ability to forgive sins to Christians. How do you explain this? | Evidence for Christianity"

    You gave us the LINK to YOUR TEACHER.

    "I wish I could tell you exactly what this passage means, but I believe that we can get a general understanding of John 20:23. God is giving real delegated authority to the church and, specifically, to the leaders of the local churches. As disciples of Jesus, we need to respect and submit to that authority, as God delegates authority to these people. As is written in Hebrews 13:17, we should obey our leaders and submit to their authority as men who will give an account to God for their leadership. I believe that this, or something like this, is what Jesus has in mind in John 20:23."


    " He was about to leave, and he was delegating to them authority to make some authoritative decision for the church. An example of the application of this authority is found in Acts when the Council of Jerusalem made authoritative decision for the Gentile Christians scattered across areas where Paul had planted churches. "


    That is not me saying the stuff that is YOUR SUPERIOR.


    No one in the world has better understanding of scripture than ROBY, RIGHT?

    You gave us the answer we told you.
     
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    "No one is denying what the RCC has done."

    Did what? brother your half a step from being catholic if not for vanity.

    Who has a better understanding Christianity than you. I don't think you will supply a website, a name, or denomination. Because NO ONE has better understanding than the TRUE POPE SAINT OFLIVINGWATERS.


    Just try proving it. Take out a blank sheet of paper and write the bible yourself. You have to take a PERSON's WORD FOR IT that what you have is legit.

    What you did is say whoa these guys' religion is junk and worthless, they serve the devil, but HOLD on the books they got is the real deal.

    Thats crazy. I would never depend on SATAN's henchmen to provide the word of God. That is nuts.

    If I was in your shoes. There is no way i'd take catholic's word on anything and everyone else you disagree with.


    #1 if God is on your side act like it, find the bible yourself. You shouldn't have to depend on a false religion to supply your bible.
     
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    Utilyan what is your end game ? What exactly is your concern regarding not following hierarchy? Forget about Roby. Really, what is your concern? Not being argumentative.
     
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    So let me see if I get your jive? First God put these men in charge of giving everyone the scriptures, yet you say we can not say that they are legit? And I should therefore trust the pope because he is above the scriptures and I am as close as Catholic as one can get but for my vanity??? WOW! And do you try to put both your socks on at the same time too?
     
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    The Catholic Church even screwed that up by canonizing the Apocrypha as Scripture when much of it is patently not written by the claimed author at the claimed date. There was a reason that it was excluded by the early Catholic Church when they compiled the list of inspired scripture.

    The EARLIEST churches (those predating even the Church in Rome) circulated the four gospels that we have today as a single “book” (not a physical book, but a set of scrolls) and the collected letters of Paul (including Hebrews) as a second “book” and used these two “books” along with the OT scrolls as “Scripture” in the Second Century. We KNOW what the actual Apostles wrote and anything that contradicts the Christ appointed Apostles must be held as suspect.
     
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    When making such wide brush stroke statements please give a for instance (the Book/books) that are false and point out what is erroneous please?
     
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