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Let's Stop This Insanity Before It Happens!!!!

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Aug 31, 2007.

  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Bush: "Iran is sending arms to the Taliban in Afghanistan"

    "So far, Iran has been a helper and a solution."

    "Iran has been a supporter of Afghanistan, in the peace process that we have and the fight against terror, and the fight against narcotics in Afghanistan."

    - Hamid Karzai, President of Afghanistan(www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070806.AFGHANUSA06/TPStory/TPInternational/America)


    Bush: "And Iran's active pursuit of technology that could lead to nuclear weapons"

    www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Infcircs/2007/infcirc711.pdf


    Bush: "Iran's actions threaten the security of nations everywhere."

    Sounds like neo-"conservative" paranoia about their dreams of U.S hegemony in the Middle East.
     
  2. Bro. Curtis

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    Can't justify buying the first article, my concerns don't surround Afghanistan. We are rightfully there.

    Second, I allready said it looks like Iran is compliant with the IAEA.

    Third, the article does not mention the financial support Iran gives the insurgency. Do you doubt reports of Iranian support against us in Iraq ?
     
  3. KenH

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    As a policy of the Iranian government? Yes. But I am willing to look at evidence from a reliable source, i.e., from a source other than the Bush administration and its allies.
     
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    So if a bunch of American miscreants go up & start killing random Canadians, is that a Canadian problem, or an American one ? Serious question, by the way. Should America, as a policy, work to stop it ?
     
  5. KenH

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    How about the Flying Tigers in World War II? Personally, I applaud the efforts of the Flying Tigers.
     
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    I don't get it, and don't have time to look it up. Is there an answer there ?
     
  7. KenH

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    I would think that the Canadian and U.S. governments would work together to stop it.

    So if there were some Iranian miscreants causing problems in Iraq, then, yes, it would be good for the Iraqi and Iranian governments to work together to stop it.

    Here's wishing a great three day weekend to you, Bro. Curtis, and our fellow posters on Baptist Board. I'm looking forward to three days of college football.

    Adios until next week. :)
     
  8. Bro. Curtis

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    You too, Brother Ken. Univesity of Montana Grizzlies start their season tomorrow, and we get season tix, every year. GO GRIZ !!!!!!

    Grace & peace to you, KenH.
     
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    Has "the power and force of American bombs and troops sent oil to $20/bbl" due to our military action in Iraq? Why would it be different if we invaded Iran? Any action that threatens the flow of oil sends the price up? I agree that if we occupy Iraq for the forseeable future and do the same with Iran that would probably stabilize the price of oil. Beginning to see why we started the war in Iraq?
     
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    First, I don't think we have really tried power and force. We have tried to be nice about it. Power and force would not threaten the free flow of oil but would instead have the possibility of increasing it.

    I honestly don't know what would happen. That, unlike some others, stops me from being dogmatic. I do think strength generally tends to get what it wants. So enough soldiers manning the opening of oil wells and refineries will greatly increase production and drive down prices. Whether or not that is wise is a whole different matter.
     
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    The price of gasoline in central Oklahoma has
    been running 15cents above the national average.
    The price of gasoline in central Oklahoma usually
    is 20-25cents BELOW the national average.
    The difference is that the local (Winnewood, OK)
    refirany had a major fire and will be a year
    yet before it is running at max again.

    No gang of brown shirts in jack boots can
    make it any different.

    What would Ron Paul do (WWRPD?)
     
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    :laugh:

    So we could steal their oil. Why else?:rolleyes:

    :laugh:
     
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    We're still waiting.

    Cheney has been very quiet.
     
  14. YOUTUBECANBESAVED

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    KenH ignore carpro he is very negative I thank God for you and how you have been honest. Althought we disagree about Mike Huckabee I agree with what you say about the neocons they have done great disservice to the USA and ignored the people.

    Ron Paul has shown courage I saw him take on Sean Hannity and Hannity just tried to talk him down and convolute things with his unjournalism and being a neocon homeboy with talking points.

    If our election process was even close to fair Ron Paul would be a front runner just based on debates alone, but terribly it is not, it is based on money and propaganda by Fox news Rupert Murdock who christen Rommney and Guiliani.

    I do like Sam Brownback and Mike Huckabee they are not well moneyed or knighted by the neocons but they have not compromised. I would like to add
    Ron Paul to that list.

    Carpro is a compromiser he wants to suck up to power and money and who he thinks can beat Hillary regardless if that person may be worse than Hillary his hatred for her is monumental.

    He is a blind idealouge .

    Ron Paul deserves better and more respect.

    As a young person I would vote fro Ron Paul if my other two candidates dropped out.
     
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    Seems UTOOBKANBSAYED and KenH share the same naivety about our enemies.

    All we have to do is hold hands and promise to mind our own business and our enemies will be on their best behavior. Hey, maybe we can convert them all over to Christianity seeing as how tolerant they are of other religions! Yea, that's what we need to do. :rolleyes:

    PS, Glad to see you moved to a town you can spell, UTOOBKANBSAYED.
     
  16. Mike McK

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    So, what is your remedy to the Iran problem, Mr. Chamberlain?
     
  17. KenH

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    You are grossly misstating my position. I totally support going after the people involved in attacking these United States on 9/11/2001 - al Qaeda and its Taliban allies.

    Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks of 9/11/2001. Iran had nothing to do with the attacks of 9/11/2001.

    In fact, most of the attackers on 9/11/2001 came from our supposed Middle East ally - Saudi Arabia.

    Perhaps our concern should be a naivety about our allies.
     
  18. KenH

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    Concerning its nuclear program Iran is not a problem as it has not violated the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Ask me that question if Iran ever does so. Otherwise, your question is irrelevant.
     
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    What solid, irrefutable evidence do you have to support this?
     
  20. KenH

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    If you believe that they did so let's see your solid, irrefutable evidence that they did.

    I'm not going to fall into the silly trap set by warvangelicals that their opponents have to prove a negative - which we all know cannot be done - sort of like the old "have you stopped beating your wife" nonsensical question.
     
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