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Liberal Christians and Islam

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by El_Guero, Oct 6, 2006.

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  1. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

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    Well, it IS a fact that the Islamic calendar for September 2001 depicted a jet fixing to crash into the WTC.

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/27/124953.shtml
     
  2. El_Guero

    El_Guero New Member

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    Why?

    Because I know what I am writing about and you are still clueless?

    Get a life - the allusion was over a month ago . . . threads did have an 's' on the end of it.

    Maybe if you would engage people in conversation instead of attempting to smoke out a smoker, you would find that collusion and illusion just do not work well against ole 54C's . . . ;) Cutting through smoke is easy.


     
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  3. El_Guero

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    BiR

    Someone made many allegations about muslims not being as guilty of evil as Christians are . . . that is a very condensed version of the many THREAD_SSSSS.

    I have had people (indcluding you) challenge my integrity, my faith, , my politic, my motive, and only God can remember the rest of the challenges . . . somewhere in all of that, I finally did get an answer to MY question that has been ignored for more than a month.

    I do not like the answer, but an answer is an answer - even if it is just smoke.

    Later.

    :type:
     
  4. LadyEagle

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  5. Baptist in Richmond

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    FACT: I asked you specific questions.
    FACT: You did not answer them. Even the most casual observers knows this is true.

    Where did I challenge your integrity, faith, politic or motive? I asked you questions and pointed out that you didn't answer them, despite your claims to the contrary. Since my last post, you offered TWO replies to me, neither of which addressed my questions. If you do not intend to answer them, then simply say so.

    Like I said: I'm embarrassed for you.

    BiR
     
  6. El_Guero

    El_Guero New Member

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    I did not say that you challenged all . . .

    And if you are that embarassed then maybe you didn't really want an answer . . .

    That's ok by me, I was not going to look up your old questions.

    Later.


     
  7. Baptist in Richmond

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    Like I said: I'm embarrassed for you. It's all right here in this thread.
    Undoubtedly, this will generate another response. You certainly are spending a considerable amount of time and energy NOT answering my questions......
     
  8. Joseph_Botwinick

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    1. No. Christians should not defend any false religion, including modern day Judaism and Islam.

    2. No. We do not worship the same god as Islam.

    3. Yes. I believe that Christians are misguided when they support Islam.

    4. I have a feeling that this thread, however, isn't really about Islam as much as it is about Christians who defend Muslims and Arabs in general against the bigoted charge that all of them are terrorists. If that is what this thread is really about, then yes, I think Christians should oppose all forms of hatred and bigotry.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  9. El_Guero

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    Well, you have had the opportunity to ask your question . . . and you continue to try to smoke the target . . . as an old smoker, you would have never made a good smoker, you do not know how to aim smoke.

    Well, I tho't by now you would ask a question. But, after many attempts, you still are obfuscating the issue . . .

    I guess you do not want me to answer your question, therefore, I figure your question was not important.
     
  10. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Current Arminian Heretic.

    Link

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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  11. El_Guero

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    Joseph

    I thank you for actually responding to the OP!

    . . . And I, once again, agree with you.

    A point of clarification, I did not intend this thread to disparage those Christians that defend Muslims from being called terrorists just because they are Muslims - that would be a bigoted charge. A person that is not a terrorist or sympathizer should be afforded common courtesy.
     
  12. Baptist in Richmond

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    I am really growing tired of this foolishness. The simple fact of the matter is you didn't address my quotes. You have made several claims to the contrary, despite the fact that the questions (and your subsequent and repeated avoidance of them) are here for all to see. Claiming something in perpetuity does not constitute a fact, especially when the evidence is clear that the perpetual claim is not valid. Every claim is still not true, no matter how many times you claim it.

    You can have the last word on this. Any response other than an answer to my questions simply reinforces what I write anyway.

    BiR
     
  13. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I think he was referring to freedom of religion in America, although I, like the president, do think that the more we can spread freedom and democracy around the world, the better it will be in the long run, unlike the isolationists in the anti-war movement.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    I have every reason to doubt it when he denies the clear truth of Scripture.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  15. El_Guero

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    Joseph,

    This thread was about islam and Christianity.

    Could we move the Calvinism debate to a new thread?

    Thanks

    Wayne
     
  16. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Nobody forced you to quit praying in school. Nobody has that power...not even today.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    HMMMMMMMMM....this sounds a lot like the same slur that was leveled against another group of people that day who supposedly stayed home that day. They hail from Israel.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    The issue of his credentials came into question, so I felt it appropriate to give the full picture of his lack of credibility and integrity.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  19. Baptist Believer

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    Is this poll for "liberal Christians"? I'll answer anyway...

    I believe Christians should defend and promote truth. If Islam is being unjustly accused of something, then Christians should speak up and set the record straight. If Islam is being justly attacked for its true teachings, then Christians should not act as advocates for Islam.

    Can they worship the god of Islam? Yes.
    Is the god of Islam the God of the Jewish and Christian scriptures? No.

    Christians should support the right of people to choose their faith, but they have no business supporting Islam themselves.
     
  20. El_Guero

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    As answered, this was a reference to another thread on this board . . . there is an excellent search capability above.

    You do not state a question here, rather you make a half hearted attempt to attack my credibility . . . so, you don't get an answer when you do not ask a question . . . . Next time, at least be sensible - make some sense.

    It is common knowledge that Americans have defended Muslims in the former Yugoslavia (Bosnia), Somalia, and now Iraq and Afghanistan . . . I would suggest you read more.

    OK . . . You asked one question that had already been answered, the rest of those 'questions' were rhetorical . . . any reasonable person would answer those questions in their head as they read them . . . so, why should I answer your questions for you?

    Or, did you not know that we have American troops on foreign soil defending the freedom of Muslims?
     
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