Liberal to Hyper....Where do I fit in?

I would consider you an ultra-conservative fundamentalist. In fact, I don't personally know a single baptist minister who is as conservative as you are, and that includes my friends who are fundamentalists.

Then again, I do travel in urban, ecumenical circles. For a little balance, are there any fundamentalists here whose positions are more conservative than those outlined?

Joshua

 

Pastor bob,
Just look to Jesus. From the list you mentioned sounds like you are trying to follow God's Word which is what we are supposed to be doing. I believe it is in Hebrews chapter five that tells us we are either mature or immature. I like those terms better. Immature Christians are those who cannot tell evil from good and maturing ones are those who can.

HCL

 

I agree with HCL! Sounds Biblical to me. Here's another one to add to the list:

11. It's the parent's Biblical responsibility to teach their own children.

 

Scriptural reference, please?

 

Yes, sir. That is the words of Moses to the Children of Israel before they passed into Canaan concerning religious laws. I concur that religious instruction should be rooted in the home. What about secular topics, however?

And actually concerning religious education, even Christ Himself in Luke 3:41-50 left his family group in order to recieve education from the Temple elders. It's the only story we have of our Master's adolesence. So again I would ask for more Scriptural reference to back up the statement "It's the parent's Biblical responsibility to teach their own children."

This is another case of something that seems at the whims of opinion, not Biblical instruction.

 

My wife is a public school teacher. So is my next door neighbor and dozens of the people that attend my church. I went to a private Baptist Military School here in my hometown that has a long history with the Baptist of Virginia. Dozens of the instructors from that school attend my church. The Military Academy was founded by Willian Hatcher, a well known theologian and pastor here in Virginia in the 19th century.

So you see, I raise this issue because most Christians, whether it be good or bad, have their children educated in public schools. The general attitude of some of the more conservative Baptist that condemns this practice, in my mind, is not founded in Scripture. Bear in mind, that the Old Testament Israel was a theocracy, so the religion WAS the government.

I know you didn't want to debate point by point issues on this thread, but I will pretty much always ask for Biblical bases for most ideas I see presented here on the board. Much of the Scripture you provided requires a bit of contortion to reconcile it to public education, especially considering the amount of Christians in the public school system, at least in my area.

If my kids turn out to be like my wife, I will be very proud to have such well liked, God fearing children.

 

While we're on the subject and this is the history forum, here is a link to the history of the Academy: http://www.fuma.org/info/about/about_history.html

and here is a little about religious training and Christian values on campus: http://www.fuma.org/info/about/about_values.html

Oh, and the president of the school, a retired 3 star AF general is a deacon in my church.

 

Thank the Lord there are still some preachers like we used to have!

 

Brethren,
The Psalmist stated: "As arrows are in the had of a mighty man; so are the children of thy youth. Ps. 127:4
1. A mighty man prepares his arrows, likewise WE prepare our children.
2. A mighty man sparpens his arrows, likewise we "train up a child in the way he should go..." The phrase "train up" implies to sharpen or narrow.
3. The mighty may puts the arrows in HIS quiver, likewise I don't put my children under the care of others who may not share my same interests.
4. The mighty man plans for his arrows to hit the target, likewise I train MY children so that they will have a vision for God and a desire to obey His will.

 

Bob
We have talked before and I would consider you a rare ultra-conservative pastor as outlined by Josuha. Rare because you have so far, asked and answered questions in a dignified manner without torching anyone or condeming them to hell. For what it's worth.

 

I completely agree. Though I have disagreed with some of his post, Brother Bob has shown a great and rare gift for grace in his posting on some very hot topics.

 

How far is Kansas from here? (hee-hee)

"Rare, Ultra Conservative, Fundamentalist"-COOL!!!

 

Hi Clint. Some info on those elders you mentioned: John 8:44

latterrain77

 

Hi Latterain -

You cite one particular group of Jews but I do not see where they were Temple elders. The assembly spoken of in Luke 2 may have also consisted of leaders as cited in Luke 23:50, Luke 7:50, and Acts 5:34. Remember also that the disciples were "Jews that believed HIm."

I am also not sure that the Pharisees were Levites that would have had charge of the Temple as originally designated by Moses and later established by Solomon. I may be wrong on this point.

There is little doubt that Jesus had excellent training in the Scriptures. Christ left His Heavenly realm and became human with all the limitations inherent in that state. He had to be trained in the ways of Jewish Law in that He read in the synagogues. He also cited Old Testament Scripture often. I doubt that Mary nor Joseph could have given him this training.

Samuel was educated away from home as well by Eli (1Samuel 3:1) as was his mother's desire. She knew that she was incapable of giving Samuel the knowledge he required to be a great man of God.

 

Thank you, Pastor Bob, for your answer. Those were the same scriptures (in Deuteronomy) I was thinking about along with the book of Proverbs in which a father was instructing his son and then there's Timothy.

Clint, I read Luke 2:41-50 (KJBible) and it seems to me that Jesus wasn't receiving his education but rather in verse 47 "And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers." It seems more like he was teaching them! In verse 46, it says that Jesus was asking them questions...that is how Jesus answered ALOT of questions in the Bible...not because He didn't know the answers.

I know that there are saved people who are teachers in government schools. However, these teachers are required to teach the curiculum that has been written by worldly people with an unBiblical world-view. The children in these schools are indoctrinated for 8-10 hours a day with ideas of humanism, socialism, feminism, paganism, etc and it's hard for Christian parents to 'undo' the damage that has been done during that time. Not only are the students taught this through curiculum but they are also heavily influenced by the unsaved majority of their peers at school day in and out.

This has been one of the biggest tools of satan to undermine Christian parents and to destroy the family. I pray that more God-fearing parents will wake up and realize this before it's too late.

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