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Liberals and Abortion

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by OldRegular, Jan 11, 2009.

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  1. THEOLDMAN

    THEOLDMAN New Member

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    I don't discard any. I give more weight to some verses than others. Just like you, and everybody else does. If I believed abortion was murder, I would not have served this country in a war. I would refuse to pay taxes, and I would probably move to another country where it is illegal.
     
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    You give more weight to some verses than others?!? Have you not read 1 Timothy 3:16?

    Abortion is murder, and your strawmen about wars, taxes, etc. is ridiculous.

    I'm beginning to think you are a troll.
     
    #82 webdog, Jan 13, 2009
  3. THEOLDMAN

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    I'm not defending abortion by telling you that it is not murder. I am a baptist. I don't always agree with other baptists. But, I try everyday to follow the Holy Spirit as he guides me. There have got to be a few other people on this board who feel like I do about this subject.
     
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    Abortion is not murder, ok, then what is it? An afternoon stroll in the park?

    Let me be sure I understand you correctly. You just said the Holy Spirit has lead you to the conclusion that abortion is not murder. Next time you talk to the Holy Spirit, would you please ask Him what abortion is, and let me know.
     
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  5. JustChristian

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    Murder is the taking of a human life. Or do you believe that in God's eyes suicide is OK?
     
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    Suicide is just that, self murder. Surely JC you are much smarter than that?!
     
    #86 Palatka51, Jan 14, 2009
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    The Holy Spirit gets blamed for a lot of things, especially when it is extra voice in our minds.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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  8. JustChristian

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    Please, please take the time to understand what is posted. I was arguing that in my view abortion is a lot like suicide. Look at the earlier posts.
     
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    And He was rightly arguing that you are wrong.
     
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    He was arguing that suicide is self-murder and I was agreeing. What is your point?
     
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    Here we go round the mulberry bush!
     
    #91 Revmitchell, Jan 14, 2009
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    How true! The Holy Spirit gets his share of credit, even if it isn't him.
     
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  13. JustChristian

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    Your point was "Here we go round the Mulberry bush?" How quaint.
     
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    Just can't leave Mr. Bush alone! The poor bloke..........Home, home on the range...

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    You need to reread what was written. I didn't say the Holy Spirit told me that. Who "murdered" the three babies that my wife miscarried many years ago ? Why didn't the hospital give US the fetus' to be buried with a proper funeral ? This "issue" is not as "cut and dried" as you try to make it out to be, is it ?
     
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  16. Revmitchell

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    Actually is is very cut and dry. Asking about who murdered miscarriages proves nothing. Many people die without being murdered. But taking a vacume and sucking an unborn child limb from limb is slaughter and or murder.
     
    #96 Revmitchell, Jan 15, 2009
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    Surely you know the difference between a "natural" death and the taking of a life! :eek: I'm truly sorry for your loss, but how would that be any different if those three babies died of heart problems at 2 years old?
    The hospital's don't determine what a life is. Did you request that, btw?
    As cut and dried as a month old loaf of bread!
     
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    Several years ago some Christians discovered a dumpster full of aborted babied outside an abortion clinic [California I believe]. They wanted to have a Christian burial for these babies. The abortionists complained. I believe the courts eventually sided with the Christians but can't be sure.
     
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  19. Magnetic Poles

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    Not just several years ago. CLICK HERE
     
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    It is tragic. This country claims to be 80+% Christian and we kill almost 4000 babies each day. The Hippocratic oath, written by a pagan, forbids abortion:

    Hippocratic Oath—Classical Version

    I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

    To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art - if they desire to learn it - without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.

    I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

    I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

    I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

    Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.

    What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about.

    If I fulfil this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.


    [Translation from the Greek by Ludwig Edelstein. From The Hippocratic Oath: Text, Translation, and Interpretation, by Ludwig Edelstein. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press, 1943.]
     
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