Featured "Libertarians were the voice of reason" ???

Naw. There's no debate about it. If you vote for republicans you're voting for all those things. Same thing if you vote for democrats.

For the last sixty years it was the republicans and democrats that have been creating all the problems. If you keep voting for those who are creating all the problems you must be in favor of all those problems. As far as I'm concerned if you keep voting for those who keep creating all the problems you got no right to complain. You're getting exactly what you're voting for.

 

With two wars going on, yeah, they increased the deficit. But in eight years they "only" added five trillion to it. Loo at what Obama has managed to do, essentially in less than four? And that was with a Senate and House in "veto proof" mode the first two years. [/quote]

It's pretty much been all Democrats, sorry to say. JFK's "New Frontier" and LBJ's "Great Society" have bankrupted us, and and by the time Republicans were in a position to repeal that nonsense, there was no way they could and continue in office to implement their reform agenda. So the Republicans haven't contributed to the extent the Democrats have, in fact not nearly so much.

 

The lesser of two evils? That argument never did make sense but it makes even less when one takes into account the fact that both evils represent the same foreign interests.

They're both taking us to the same destination but at least we get to choose the path we take to get there? That's your argument? Okay but ya gotta admit that it's kinda funny both the democrats and republicans all tell us "there is no third way that would lead to a different destination".

So basically it comes down to this. Both parties are taking us towards a tolalitarian government but the democrats are better at it so the repulicans are a better choice. Is that about right?

What happens if you don't want to end up with a totalitarian government?

Too bad so sad? I choose the third way, liberty. Even if you and all the democrats and republicans can't understand why.

 

Being new to all of this, I am curious where you got your knowledge about world wide conspiracies. Do you have some experience within the Federal government, perhaps in a civilian security agency of some type? Did you serve in an intelligence unit of a branch of the military?

I have been reading through the polticial threads, and wonder how you reached your conclusions. If your conclusions are based on reading magazines, books, reports, etc., I have done that and do not agree with your stance. In fact, anyone can do that.

So, unless you have some practical inside working experience, your conclusions are in error.

What puzzles me is the purpose of this entire board is to show that man is an imperfect creature in need of salvation from a Holy God. Given that fact, any system man sets up is going to be imperfect, mixed with greed, mistakes, and other negative aspects.

Given all of that, the American system is the best in human history. Our Constitution guarantees freedom, liberty, and rights. Yes, we have strayed from the original Constitution, and sometimes the parties to appear the same, but we are humans, and this is not utopia. That will have to wait for eternity in heaven.

Have you ever actually lived in a country without the freedoms we enjoy despite our mistakes? Somehow I doubt it. Have you been on the boards of corporations, banks, and international conglomerates that support your ideas? I doubt that also.

My final question, is, what have you done to improve the system besides typing messages on the computer? Have you ever run for political office or worked within the framework of a political organization in a grassroots effort?

Since this is a world wide conspiracy, I was wondering how the government and banks of Sierra Leone, Niger, Enitrea, Central African Republic, Somalia, Guienna Bisseau, Liberia, Congo, and Zimbabwe played into the senario?

 

Gonna echo Rippon on this one and ask, "Huh?" What "foreign interests" do you believe are being represented by our Congress, over our own self-interest?

I hardly call a desire to maintain our basic conservative, Judeo-Christian worldview and placing personal rights as the most important factor to enforce in our constitution (Replubicans) versus a changeover to a liberal socialist "the state is supreme" mindset (Democrats) the same destination. Perhaps you could explain?

Well ... there isn't. Unless you know of a way no one else has discovered. It is a shame -- but only slightly -- that no third party has a chance in Hades of being elected except in isolated offices that will have no real effect on the course of our nation. But the fact is, we have a clear choice, and these claims that "they're all the same" just don't hold water.

May I ask how you see the Republicans doing this?

As my question would imply, not quite. Or even close, for that matter. :smilewinkgrin:

You vote Republican, unless you can answer that last question convincingly.

So do I. That is why I vote for conservative Republicans. To be sure, there are RINOS in the electorate and even in Congress, but they aren't in control, and they definitely are not following the Democratic Party road to socialism.

 

I'm still waiting for that list of liberties you claimed we all still enjoy. Where is it?

Ya know it"s funny all the things you guys are discussing today about arming islamists and NSA spying I warned you all about years ago. You didn't listen to me then so why should I believe any of you will listen now?

And to answer at least one question . . . again. No there is no "worldwide conspiracy" the G8 aren't openly talking about merging the US and European economies and political systems under a "free trade" agreement. No it's not happening right in front of our eyes. Noooooo. It's all a crazy conspiracy theory.

Tell ya what in three or four years when the corporate media tells ya it's okay to discuss the things I'm talking about today y'all will be calling me crazy for talking about the things I'll be talking about then. I used to think you guys would eventually catcth up to me but the longer we go the more I doubt you'll ever catch up.

 

Double Post . . .

 

BTW, the experts agree that the "war on terror" is a hoax.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/06/experts-from-the-left-and-the-right-agree-america-is-running-the-worlds-largest-terrorist-operation.html

We can't be the world's largest exporter of terrorism and be in a fight against terrorism at the same time. If we really wanted to combat terrorism we'd stop using terrorism as the main tactic in our foreign policy. You'd call it terrorism if Pakistan droned your famity to death wouldn't you? Why is it called terrorism when they use terror tactics but when we use terror tactics it's called liberation or humanitarian kinetic action?

Is there some special operation one has to undergo to remove a bone in our heads so we don't see how blatantly hypocritcal it is to terrorize other nations while accusing them of using terrorism?

 

It appears you are correct. How long has this string of conspiracy posts been going on? Obviously he is not going to answer direct, easy to understand questions.

 

Good post. :thumbs:

 

Why don't ya just tell him the truth Salty? I've answered the same questions a thousand times. It gets kind of boring after awhile trying to explain things out side of the false left vs right paradigm to people that can't think outside of it.

It's frustrating. All the things you all are talking about today I told ya about years ago. You all are just becoming aware of things I knew about way back when.

I warned y'all about NSA spying in 2004. You just got the corporate media's permission to talk about it now. I'm way past all that. While you are just now learning about all that I'm reading about the elite's life extension technologies. You probably won't get permission to think about that for another 5 or 10 years.

 

Excellent post. More like this and you'll be counted among Salty the Avoider, Saturnneptune a.k.a. the Stalker, and The Clown (Yours Truly).

 

You're right, we can't be. And we aren't. That would be Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, or any of a handful of African nations currently under heavy al-Qaeda influence, if not controlled by the terrorist organization. When we start thinking of our own country as a terrorist nation, we are getting far, far out of touch with reality.

Sorry, but that bolded sentence in my quote of your post tells me who you consider to be an expert, so I don't even have to check the link. This claim has been around for years from the far left and holds no water whatsoever. So thanks, but I'll stick to the opinion expressed in my post. God bless.

PS: By the way, you didn't answer my question as to what "foreign interests" are being served by our Congress ahead of our interests. Care to elaborate?

 

Here's the bottom line. People are waking up and you can't stop it, you can't contain it, you can't control it. You can go ahead and try using the old "it's a conspiracy theory" argument but it ain't working anymore. People are on to that now. You can deny the truth but you can't stop it getting out. A lot of folks here have tried and failed. People are waking up in spite of it all.

Just thought I'd clue you in. People like you have already lost the imfowar but if you gotta try I guess you gotta try. Good luck.

 

Agree. Good articulation of the truth of the matter. :thumbs:

 

Sorry, got distracted by "the US is the greatest exporter of terrorism in the world" thingie.

You might start with the Bill of Rights and go from there. I'm certainly enjoying them. Why aren't you?

I wasn't here years ago, sorry.

Well, that clears that up. Thanks.

Sorry we're so crippled in our "outside-the-box" thinking. We will endeavor to correct that. God bless. :thumbsup: