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His anti-Calvinism stance had nothing to do with his downfall. Caner simply capitalized on a post 9.11 culture with chronic lying. He went from being Michael to Ergun, rewrote his history, faked fluency in languages (and even faked accents many times). He profited greatly from his lies. He had all the marks of a charlatan and people finally called him on it.

There are plenty of teachers/pastors just as vocally anti-cal as Caner, but who are above reproach in their character... I have problems with Caner's anemic theology, but far greater issues with his public sin and lack of repentance.

 

His anti-Calvinism has everything to do with the veracity with which Calvinists have gone after him and refuse to let it all go. It has to do with the level of concern they have over anything he may have done when anyone else would not have been payed attention too. Calvinists were looking for something to destroy him with and found it then exaggerated the whole thing in order to destroy him. The spirit in which people have gone after him is as bad or worse than anything Caner may have done. I have never seen more unChristian behavior out of the Christian community. Ever.

 

Your theory on this would be far more credible if the accusations (and verifiable proof of them) were far less serious.

 

No, it does not. Caner was rabidly anti-Calvinist (not just anti-calvinism), LONG before any of the controversy. I still have some of my Seminary lectures from him, sitting on my shelf, and he was just brutal, not just with the doctrine of Calvinism, but with anyone who claimed to be Calvinist.

And this comes from one who was on Caner's side at first (not that I was anti-Calvinist, but I generally liked Dr. Caner, despite his temperament, and felt he was being ill treated). Then I looked into the it, and saw some of the most horrific things...blatant lies, and times where he claimed to be speaking Arabic, behind the pulpit, and was in fact speaking gibberish....

The fact that he still refuses to repent, and is still being hired as a speaker, is the REASON why both calvinists, AND non-calvinists will not let it go (there are enormous numbers of Arminians, that have also excoriated Caner...there was a petition going around before Liberty fired him, to have him fired, and it was not a bunch of Calvinists on the list!).

The idea that you should just "let it go" is saddening...

 

Not at all. He has not done anything to me. He is engaging in an attack against the body of Christ, every day he engages in "ministry." That is my only problem with him.

And I disagree. We are commanded by scripture to warn others, and to openly rebuke false teachers. So, until he repents, we are commanded by scripture to continually warn others about him, to point out his lies, and to call him to repentance.

 

And it is a good question to ask. I just don't have a good feel for the short list given the conditions of the seminary.

 

Ergun Caner was disciplined and judged by the church at large? I don't think so.

Discipline is at the local church level and therte was no such discipline enacted against him unless he left and willfully would not submit to the authority of said local church.

He still walks in disobedience and Emir is no better.

 

And yet it is only Calvinists who are worried if Caner gets the "proper discipline". Hmmm, I wonder why?

Every time a calvinists makes another post wanting this so called proper discipline they prove my point.

The point being if you have the nerve to oppose calvinism then there will be many calvinists who want to destroy you. The sorry attitude that James White exudes certainly gets passed on to his followers.

 

Don't be so hasty. Anyone with a history of following BB can see in this thread that it is the Calvinists that are calling for discipline to be meted out.

 

You have 170 posts. As a johnny come lately you would think that you would be more cautious about what you think you know.

 

A few months ago:

 

Maybe, in a hope to put this Caner business to bed, it is helpful for someone, like me, who isn't Reformed or a Calvinist to note that Caner's criticisms of the theology are not good.

If I were Reformed or a Calvinist, I would welcome the criticisms, or at least attempts of criticism, by guys like Caner because they are so poor anyone can see through them.

So, what do we think of the situation confronting the seminary?

 

I think Caner was rather pompous and full of himself. But the way he has been treated is a prime example of how we eat our own and ungodly.